About This Episode

 

This week’s guest is proof that dentistry really does take all-sorts. 

 

Former Green Beret Danny Watson was inspired to enter dentistry after witnessing military dentists at work in Afghanistan.

 

Against impressive odds, he secured a place at Manchester University and spectacularly burned his military bridges to attend.

 

Danny talks about his fortuitous first meeting with podcast host Prav, cross-fit, military life and his record-breaking highs and lows.   

 

Enjoy!    

 

So I phoned my missus on my 20-minute phone card…She was like, “You alright love? You okay?” I was like, “yeah all good…guess what..I want to be a dentist.” 

Danny Watson

 

In This Episode

0.34 – Early years

07.27 – Army days

14.59 – Discovering dentistry

21.25 – Getting started and burning bridges

26.01 – The military mindset

36.19 – Highs and lows

44.47 – Lambos & love at first sight

48.28 – On PT

53.47 – New challenges

57.08 – Last day on earth

 

About Danny Watson

Danny Watson graduated from Manchester University in 2018 and went on to practice at Manchester’s Kiss Dental.

 

Before becoming a dentist, Danny enjoyed a long and distinguished military career including service with the Green Berets and active service in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

He is passionate about cross fit and personal training, and is the current world-record holder for the greatest distance travelled on the Concept-2 indoor rower in one minute.  

Connect with Prav and Payman:

Website

Prav on Instagram

Payman on Instagram

Transcript

Payman L:
Then you telling a dental surgery, does that leave you as like an adrenaline junky or something?

Danny Watson:
I don’t ride fast motor bikes. My wife wouldn’t let me have a motor bike.

Intro Voice:
This is Dental Leaders, the podcast where you get to go one on one with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your hosts, Payman Langroudi and Prav Solanki.

Prav Solanki:
Hello and welcome to the Dental Leaders Podcast and today we’ve got the pleasure of having Danny Watson on the podcast, who is a very close friend, who I’d consider to be a brother and we’ve known each other for a few years. I asked him a while ago would he be willing to come here and share his story because he’s got a slightly different background to most people who enter dentistry. Danny, why don’t you take us way back to the beginning, where you grew up, school and how it all started.

Danny Watson:
Okay, yeah hello, thanks for having me on. I don’t think I’m a dental leader but I certainly enjoy sharing my story with you, Prav, you know you’ve probably heard it more than most. So taking it right back to the beginning, I was born in Dover, mom and dad split up when I was two and a half and my mum had a passion for wanting to own a pub so she worked in a lot of pubs and then my stepdad just sort of gave in after a few years and said, “Right, yeah we’ll buy a pub then”. We bought a pub in a place called Faversham where Shepherd Neame Brewery is, still. It was called the White Horse, it’s not there anymore, it’s offices. I lived in a pub, basically, for about seven years of my life surrounded by people and chatting to people in the bar, and drunks really.

Prav Solanki:
From age to what age was that, Danny?

Danny Watson:
From the age of six to the age of 12, so about six years. We went bankrupt because in Faversham there was like 53 or 56 pubs in a really small place, and then people would literally just move around pub to pub and you’d be like struggling, hanging all that time and then one month a year you’d crush it and a load of money, but obviously no one came back one month, so we went bankrupt.

Payman L:
Sitting in these podcasts I keep on hearing Prav’s story and different things he attributes his successes to. One of the main things he attributes his successes to is working with the public as a child in his dad’s shop. His dad had a taxi company. Would you say that exposure to the public early on has put you in a good position to deal with people?

Danny Watson:
100%. I actually, really, really do and me and Prav had a business going for a bit and I told my story on it. I think that early on, six years old to 12 years old, sitting in talking to people, learning how people react when you talk to them, trying to make them smile. My little game in my head when I was a kid was trying to make, how quick could I make someone smile, to get that link with them and then chat and have a conversation. I do think that really, really helps and it certainly helps in the chair. When the patient comes in my first goal is to find some sort of commonality, whatever it might be. Then they’re more than likely to listen to you and go ahead with treatment and be less anxious. It certainly is like a nice challenge for you, rather than seeing them as the next punter coming through the door, which is something that I never, ever, ever wanted it to be.

Payman L:
So then what happened next?

Danny Watson:
We actually moved out of town, like seven miles out of town. There wasn’t many buses going out there so I had to cycle seven miles to school and seven miles home after school on a racing bike. I think that was where my love of physical training came from. I used to test myself, how quick, it was pretty much downhill on the way there to school and on the way back it was uphill. So I used to time myself and try and beat every single day to school. That’s not how you should train, by the way. Try not to beat yourself every single day, you’ll get burnt out. Trust me, I am a trainer. Then I finished school because of this physical training thing. I actually, and I love the sport, but I was never really, really, really good. I was always sort of like just above average at most sports. I sort of fell in love with the idea of joining the Army.

Danny Watson:
At 16 I didn’t bother going to do A levels, I just wanted to join the Army. I didn’t know what I wanted to go in doing.

Payman L:
Was there military history in your family?

Danny Watson:
None whatsoever.

Payman L:
So what made you do that?

Danny Watson:
Sport, and there was a PE teacher at school who took the top sort of 15 kids of PE across the board, or most enthusiastic, I wouldn’t say top, and took us on an open day at Howe Barracks in Canterbury and we went there and I’d look at the Warrior Tanks and it was the… I think it was Price of Wales Royal Regiment and I thought God, I really want to do this. At the time I wanted to be a combat medical technician. I wanted to be a paramedic, I wanted to help people. So I liked being around people, my brother wanted to be a doctor and he was going towards that and got a place at university so I thought yeah I might follow in his footsteps because see how happy that made my parents. It just felt right, I’m going to join up.

Prav Solanki:
Was that important, Danny, how happy you made your parents at the time?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, massively. I always wanted to please them. I was a bit of a problem child when I was younger. I got into a lot of trouble, got suspended and expelled from one school. I got to a certain age, you know when you have to do your last two years and to GCSEs. I saw him, he’s two years ahead of me, and he got like five A stars, two As a B and a C and they were chuffed to bits and I just thought, “You need to wise up” so I sort of just changed overnight. I went right, you need to focus and get these grades. Certainly because they said you needed A-C to get, in maths, English and science, to get into the Army if you wanted to do anything technical wise, or even be a combat med tech, they said they’d like that. So I was like right, I’ve got a goal now, I went back in.

Danny Watson:
I was in the bottom set for English, this is a running theme in my life, I was in the bottom set and I couldn’t even get a C. I was just messing around, doing silly things in class and I spoke to the teacher and said, “Listen, I need to get in that set above”, and she was like, “You’re not getting in there. You’re a clown.” I was like, I’ll work my nuts off and I’ll do it. So I did. I started working my nuts off and she was like, “Actually, this guys producing some good”, and she sorted it out for me. Thanks to her, she sorted it out. I went to the set above for the last six months at school and managed to sit the exam. I don’t even know if it’s the same sort of thing these days, but you do a bracketed into what you could take, so the highest I could get was a C and I got a C in English and I was chuffed a bit because it meant I could join the Army and what I wanted to do.

Payman L:
Being a dentist wasn’t even anywhere near on your radar?

Danny Watson:
Never even heard about it until many, many, many, many years later. Didn’t even cross my mind even until the age of… how old was I in… 10 years ago. So 26 years old.

Payman L:
That’s the first time you thought about it?

Danny Watson:
First time ever.

Payman L:
Take us through what it’s like to be a full-time Army guy. Were you patriotic, were you scared when you went off? Where did you go?

Danny Watson:
Do you know what? It’s a funny thing, really because you get obviously basic training’s quite unique. They break you down, they turn you into, they make you think the way they want you to think. They try to make you very, very team orientated so that you’ll always think about others. You always look after your kit before yourself, but day to day normality on camp is very much like a normal job. You probably work a few less hours when you’re on camp, but when you go away you work very, very hard. You’re in stressful environments, so day to day-

Payman L:
When they tell you you’re about to be deployed somewhere what goes through you? Excitement, nerves?

Danny Watson:
Both.

Payman L:
Both, they’re supposed to be the same chemical according to that Simon.

Danny Watson:
Really?

Payman L:
Yeah.

Danny Watson:
Both because you’re trained to do that, so you’re like, brilliant, we’re going to go out and do the job we’re trained to do rather than just kicking around camp, fixing vehicles on camp or doing fears or whatever. Going to the ranges.

Payman L:
Is there any questioning should we be going or is that not, that’s not part of the?

Danny Watson:
You don’t question it.

Payman L:
You wouldn’t be a soldier if you did.

Danny Watson:
We don’t. Yeah, you don’t. You just go right, that’s a job. That’s my job, I go out and do it. There is some patriotic stuff involved, serving your country. I think that’s sort of indoctrinated into you when you go through basic training and throughout really. You’re very proud to be, a lot of people are. I wouldn’t say all, because some of them just do it for a job and money and because they come from very, very different backgrounds, they need to do something. But certainly for me it was like this is doing good. See when we went out, I always remember, it’s funny Prav recommended that I went for a float tank. I was a bit sceptical, I’m going to lay in this warm, salty water with no music, it’s dark.

Prav Solanki:
And Prav talking shit.

Danny Watson:
And pay like 35 quid to sit in a dark, dark room. 35 quid to sit in a dark room in a bit of warm water. It was like Dick Turpin wore a mask. But he was brilliant. But the funny thing was I travelled through time and I went through what I’ve just been telling you, but the one thing I couldn’t remember was those painful times and leaving. So leaving my mum on the platform when I was 16 to go to the Army. Getting on the flight Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, I can’t remember it, I can’t remember the actual flight itself, because obviously it was sad. You don’t know, you don’t know whether you’re going to come back or not, irrelevant of what job you’re in or whether you’re working here, there or anywhere. You just didn’t know, because it is the unknown. You are nervous but as soon as you get there you hit the ground.

Payman L:
There’s a job to do.

Danny Watson:
It’s just a job to do at the end of the day and you just do your job to the best of your ability and that’s exactly what… it was easier I think for us to be out there, even though it’s hostile, than it is for people back home waiting for the phone calls. Waiting for the letters. I think for most people it’s just a job and you just get on with it.

Prav Solanki:
What’s the worst thing that you saw during the Army?

Danny Watson:
People being shot, dealing with the casualties. I think my first day in Iraq was different. Iraq was totally different, Afghanistan was a different beast all together. The tour I was on was savage for casualties, for amputees, IEDs, improvised explosive devices. That’s what IEDs is, going off and blowing up patrols, basically loads of people and what they would do was they would work out where their emergency helicopter landing site would be, so they’d hit them there in one place and then they’d know that they’d extract that casualty to the helicopter landing site and they’d absolutely lay a tonne of these IEDs down and just demolish the whole squad. That was pretty crap, if I’m honest. I don’t know whether it should be on the podcast, but you know transporting body bags and stuff on flights and stuff like that, that wasn’t pleasant.

Payman L:
Do they somehow prepare you for that? Can one be prepared for that?

Danny Watson:
I don’t think you can, I don’t think there’s any pre-training that can train you for that. And I saw very little, compared to some lads. There was some guys that saw their best friends gone in front of them and my heart goes out to them, it upsets me a bit, really. And you just, tough time for people. One of my best friends got blown up. He’s doing really well, now. He’s doing really well and he even said… I listened to a podcast that he was on, really inspirational actually, his name’s Spencer Whitely. He got blown up in Iraq, intestines were hanging out, he lost half his quad, lost a thumb. One of my other really good friends who actually joined the PT Corps later on, the same Corps I did, saved his life by standing on his femoral artery. So he came back. His mentality to get better is unbelievable. On that podcast he just said, “There was not a day that I felt really sorry for myself. I’ve had the odd moment”, he said, “But all I’ve eve thought is moving forward. I need to provide for my family, I need to get going, I need to move, I need to get better. I need to walk.”

Danny Watson:
When they said you’ll never walk without a walking stick ever again when he left the Army, proved them wrong. He’s back squatting nearly 200 kilos now. He’s running, he’s skipping. He’s one of the best Cross Fit athletes, masters athletes over 40 to 45 on the planet. Top 20 in the world. Just goes to show, a lot of it is all mentality.

Payman L:
Something I wasn’t aware of, Stuart Raid who demonstrates on our cause, he’s one of the teachers, he’s an Army guy. One thing he tried to explain to me was that PTSD is kind of the norm, it’s not the odd people here. He said it’s the odd person who doesn’t suffer PTSD. It’s actually normal thing to happen.

Danny Watson:
I think that through history it just didn’t have a name. I like with most things in life everything’s on a sliding scale. There is a spectrum isn’t there? At some level you will be suffering a little bit, and some will be suffering more than others, but there’s also the sliding scale is how people cope with those things. It’s a real thing and it’s horrible. There’s a lot of charities out there helping a lot of guys and girls out and they do need the help. I’ve spoke about it at length with a lot of friends who are in some special jobs and they talk about it and say, “Look, it’s a real thing, you know. You come back.” But they have got stuff in place these days. Like it’s called Trim, they come back and it’s like post management. You get interviewed, but a lot of people can stay under the radar because they don’t want to look weak and that is a big stigmatism. You don’t want to be seen as being weak or going to the sick bay, seeing the doctor for anything because you think you’re getting a black mark next to your name and that was a big thing.

Payman L:
Surprising in this day and age.

Danny Watson:
Yeah. I think it might be changing. I’ve not been in for a while now. I’ve been out for seven and a bit years. I’ve still got friends in, who are the same age and stuff and they say the environment’s changing. People are speaking out and getting looked after a lot more. It’s good.

Payman L:
Then the first time you were exposed to dentistry was out in Afghanistan you said?

Danny Watson:
That’s right yeah, yeah, yeah. The obvious thing, really. I was flying around with a physiotherapist, flying out to the remote location. The FOBs they were called. Forward Observation Bases, he would do the hands on treatment, then I would write the exercise prescription programme to keep the lads and lassies on the ground, rather than having to fly all the way back to Bastion to be treated, to fly back out again. There would be sort of a treatment gap, so they’d be hanging around in Bastion for a while not being operative on the ground. So then they thought we’ll fly you out. They also flew a dental team out, a dentist and a dental nurse and we would fly in and stay in the medical sort of bay and have a camp cot there, two camp cots.

Danny Watson:
So we never co-located because we wouldn’t be able to sleep anywhere, if that makes sense. But one time it was in August, so next month 10 years ago, there was the elections in Afghanistan and we just accidentally were in Lashkargāh, it was called. It was the headquarters, for 10 days and everything was grounded for 10 days.

Danny Watson:
This dentist, he was a Major and my boss was a Captain, he was like, “Right lads, I’m a Major”, he’s right funny character, he wasn’t an officer, you know, he was like jack of a lad, he went, “So I’m going to work in the mornings and have the afternoons off”. Because we had the same clinical bay. “You guys can have the afternoons, I don’t care what you do in the mornings.” I was like, “All right, fine”. So I just went go up, cracked some fizz and I was like a bit of a loose end here. So used to watch what they were up to and they were treating Afghanis, they were treating soldiers because if someone, if the Afghanis come to the front gate and they’re in pain we’ve got a responsibility to treat them.

Danny Watson:
It was just amazing, really. They’d come in and have these little root stumps everywhere, now I know they’re retained roots, didn’t know before, they were just black. And they’d be like, right, numb them all up, extract them all and then send them out and sort them out. Same for the lads, because if you… you need to keep your oral health up to tiptop condition so you can eat and not have any pain, so I was just like, this is pretty cool. I’d get to work with my hands, which I used to do when I was an engineer. I used to fix tanks and fix people rather than fixing machines, which I was doing fixing people but I was doing it with my mind writing programmes, so I thought right, I’m going to go on the internet. Used to get like 20 minutes a week or something like that. So I went on and was like yeah, that’s good, Cardiff, I live in Newport. Cardiff’s got a place, I haven’t got A levels but I’ll get in with this. I might have to do my GCSE English again, because I only got a C, which horrified me.

Payman L:
So you did the A levels or didn’t need them?

Danny Watson:
No, well I didn’t need A levels because when I was-

Payman L:
Pre-med year.

Danny Watson:
I had to do a pre-med year. I had a foundation degree in health, sport and fitness, so I got my foot in the door but they still made me re-take my GCSE English for a pride. So I phoned my missus on my 20 minute phone card you get a week and I was like, “Allie”, she was like, “You all right love, you okay?” I was like, yeah all good. I was like, “Guess what?” She’s like, “What’s that?” “I want to be a dentist.” She was like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah just come back safe and we’ll talk about this when you get back”, and I was like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah I’m doing it.” And put the phone down. And then just got fascinated with it, a bit like anything I’m like. Once I get my mind to something I’m sort of like, I’ve got to do it.

Danny Watson:
So I came back, started doing, on my own time, my GCSE English. I had a family friend who used to be an English teacher and she helped me out with my coursework and stuff and I then did two weeks work experience. I was in Plymouth, a peninsula, and they were hands on. It was when they did the four year course, not the five year course. They’re hands on from year one. I was like this is cool, I definitely want to do this. I applied, but I didn’t hear anything back whatsoever. Everywhere I heard, Cardiff was like, “Nah”, Bristol, “Nah, don’t want him.” And then Dundee same thing, no, don’t want you. Six year course. Then Manchester was still left open on the UCAS application system and I got posted from Plymouth to near Cardiff, so I was living at home and I was loving it. I was travelling 45 minutes in, in the morning, 45 minutes home.

Danny Watson:
I worked in this fantastic facility fixing quality soldiers who were really up for it and I thought, “God, I could do this, actually. I’m really loving it.” I was managing people and sort of got a tip of the hat saying look, you’re probably going to get promoted to star major soon, but if we do it will you be willing to move anywhere? I was a bit like, not sure. Allie’s really happy with only living down the road, but it is a star major job and I didn’t think I was going to get this place and then all of a sudden, ding, it came up and it was like come up for an interview.

Payman L:
Manchester?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, Manchester. So I drove up. I remember it vividly. I popped into 3D, Cross Fit 3D, that is a gym. I was well into Cross Fit at the time. Did the interview process, went back for it, didn’t do very well in that. It was like a group discussion, bits and pieces. I didn’t want to be overpowering, you know. I went home and thought, well, I’ve got a decent job anyway, so great prospects. The very next day, I literally arrived up at the accommodations to give a room inspection so the lads and lassies have cleaned out their lockers and made their beds and stood by their beds. I was about to go in and inspect it, I looked at my phone and I had an email saying you’ve got a place if you want it. I just remember my heart racing. It must have gone from about 35 beats per minute to about 200.

Danny Watson:
I was like, “Oh my God this is ridiculous.” I just went in and was like, “Yeah, knock off for the weekend, you’re really good.” I went home, my wife was in Vegas actually, she was in Vegas with her best friend who lives in Australia and I phoned her and said, “You’re not going to believe this, I actually got a place.” I said, “I don’t know what I’m going to do”, but in my head I knew what I was going to do, I was going to take it. These opportunities do not come along that often. She was like, “You’ve got to do it, even if you move up on your own and just live up there on your own, then you’ve got to do it.” In my head I was like, “I hope I move up on my own.”

Payman L:
Your outlook as a dental student compared to the classical, like me, A levels, straight in, bit of a kid, bit of a child to tell you the truth. Boy’s school, straight in, bit of a child. Your outlook must have been totally different. First you really feel like you got this place that you weren’t expecting to get so you feel very happy, proud that you got it and you’re going to make the most of it. But secondly, an adult who’s done three tours of duty in the military, what the way you approached the course? Was it like you were going to squeeze every drop out of it? It was?

Danny Watson:
Yeah absolutely that. Basically every opportunity I got, do some extra clinics, speak to people, work hard. Work hard throughout the year so I’m not just cramming so when it comes to exam time it was easy. It was easy, obviously, because it wasn’t, but I certainly wasn’t overly stressed at exam times because I felt like I’ve drip fed it throughout the whole year and just kept motivated. There’s a lot to lose, stakes are high, I’ve just given up my job and I’ve left with a bit of a bang. I sent an email. There were some errors in the PT Corps with the hierarchy and stuff.

Payman L:
Oh you let them know?

Danny Watson:
I let them know, I wrote this really long email and it was a couple of reasons for it. It needed to be said. The day I left at 12 o’clock on a Friday, at 11:59 sent it and left. I had some missed call and I did answer, the RSM was like, “Danny, it’s Sid”, and I was like all right. I didn’t even know what to call him because normally it would be “sir”. I was a bit like, “…yeah”. So I burned the bridges, but I did it on purpose, I burned the bridges so I’d never go back. There was high stakes. I just thought if I don’t pass this, I’m not academically gifted, it’s just I have to work really, really hard, so I just went in and worked really, really hard for six years, basically.

Payman L:
When you say you did it on purpose, so what, you were so convinced you were never going to go back?

Danny Watson:
Yeah.

Payman L:
That you literally burnt your bridges on purpose?

Danny Watson:
If that path was open. These things had to be said, there were some things of backstabbing, stuff like that. They talked about esprit de corps. “Esprit de corps, we’re all in it together!” But the PT Corps is 450 people strong, who are high flyers. You go through a selection process, you’ve got a nine month probation course where you do all these courses, at any moment it could just be like, “All right, get back to your unit, you’re not what we want”. It’s a high sieve machine, so you’ve got these thrusting people who just want to get to the top. They want the best rank, the best reports and they want to get there as soon as possible. There’s a lot of egos kicking around. A couple of things happened to my friends, stuff like that. Things happened to me, but I’d just say it there and then, just tell people, “Look, no way.” And we’d sort it out there and then. But some of my friends were a little more reserved so I felt like I had to stick up for them, but in the back of my mind it was like if that path is open for me to go and I start struggling maybe I’d take that easy path, the path of least resistance. So that door was definitely closed, shut.

Prav Solanki:
Whilst you were in the Army and probably a little bit after as well, you’ve mentioned this to me quite a few times, the brotherhood. What does that mean?

Danny Watson:
Specifically in certain units, infantry units, you’re so close knit. You’re together for the whole of your career, then I did my commando course. Getting that green beret was not just getting a green lid on your head, when you go through that… when you suffer together so much you have a bond and it’s sort of indoctrinated into you that you never, ever let your brother or your sister down, you know? More so a brotherhood because it’s mainly blokes isn’t it? You have this set of values and things that you live by so if everyone of those people or my friends ever need anything I’d drop it and I’d go. That’s really important but it was one thing I was scared to lose when I left. I was quite upset when you left camp because you think, that’s it, it’s over. You’ve lost it forever.

Danny Watson:
Little did I know, those people that you are so close to, they’ll always be around. You don’t have to speak to them every single month or even a year, but you get the odd message or you see them or bump into them and they’re there. Or you need them and they’re there like that, and that’s happened a couple of times since.

Payman L:
Do you think it’s possible to recreate that in an organisation without the pain that you went… of course it’s never going to be that, but elements of that.

Danny Watson:
Yeah I do.

Payman L:
You see military people do so well in business sometimes, don’t you, that it must come, that discipline and looking out for the other.

Danny Watson:
I totally believe you can get to a level of it. Again, that spectrum thing, it’s a sliding scale, isn’t it? And certainly I think teamwork and constantly helping each other out, irrelevant of where you are, who you are, so whether you’re the dentist, the dental nurse, the reception staff or anything, if you show willing and you literally will do anything for them, there’s no job too big and no job too small. A little bit like sweeping the sheds, like the New Zealand rugby team. That goes a long, long way. And just being there for people, end of the day saying thank you to people, end of the day, “Are you all right? You didn’t seem yourself today?” Not just thinking about yourself. I think there’s so much, not just in dentistry, so many people-

Payman L:
Any organisation.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, people are in such a drive and a drive for themselves, they never look to the peripheries and see what’s actually happening, or who’s falling by the wayside. And that’s something that we never were taught in the military. It was as one unit we’ve got one mission and we go together and you keep looking in your five and twenties, five metres, 20 metres, to see where everyone is because you can’t leave someone behind can you? And you might need them one mile down the road, irrelevant what mission you’re on, you need to be as… you know.

Payman L:
It’s weird because from the outside you don’t think soldiers are these kind types. Dealing, just in the six months I’ve known you, such a kind person. It’s not an archetypal thing that you think from the outside a soldier is. Stewart’s the same, Stewart’s the same. Have you met Stewart?

Danny Watson:
No, I haven’t, actually, no.

Danny Watson:
I don’t think he was in Manchester at that time?

Payman L:
Maybe he wasn’t in that particular one, yeah, you’d like him. But again, same thing. I’ve spoken to him about it as well.

Danny Watson:
Yeah,

Payman L:
That looking out for your… from the outside you don’t realise it.

Prav Solanki:
You don’t see it.

Danny Watson:
I’ve got some friends, Slay-Jones brothers, they are from the thickest of the thick valley boys, Wales, you know. Hard as nails, rugby through and through, played Army combine services, they are tough cookies. From the exterior they really are, but they are some of the most thoughtful blokes, ever. When I was going through dental degree, this is like I was talking about, you know you might not hear from them, Daryl would write me, get the postcards. He’s got the Danny the Champion of the World postcards, gone and bought like six different ones and now and then he’d just write me a little letter saying words of wisdom. Even when it’s painful and you’re struggling just remember what you’re doing it for. Just receiving that out of the blue was brilliant. I’ve kept them all.

Danny Watson:
His brother, Gareth, he’s got two kids. It’s my graduation, we finished on the eighth, got the results on the eighth of June, on the ninth Allie had set up a party for me, he’d phoned his mom up, “Right, Mum, need you over here”, he lives in Aldershot, in Surrey, Hampshire and she drive from Wales, looked after the kids for one night, he got on the train, came all the way to Manchester just for that night. Didn’t know anyone there. He was like, “No, I’m going to be there.” Just legends, you know what I mean, they’re there forever. They’re the most thoughtful boys, but the most brutal. They’re star majors, they’re W1s, they’re the top of the tree, you can’t go any higher as a non-commissioned officer and you wouldn’t want to cross them in work.

Danny Watson:
I saw Gareth, recently, this is ridiculous. He’s gone to work in HQ so there’s quite a lot of civilians that work in there, and they were working on this group spreadsheet and it’s got a massive long file name, so he’s working at it, it’s really complex stuff. Gareth is not into this, he’s like just a worker. So he’s struggling away filling out this database. He’s been working at it four hours and this little civvy comes up and goes, “You’re working on the wrong one mate, I changed the file name last week.” Gareth’s like, “What?” He went, he was like, “Nate, are you fucking joking with me man?” He went, “What?”, swearing. He went, “I’m going to throw you off that balcony, you better be joking.” He went, “I’m not joking.” Gareth’s like, he had to go for a walk. You wouldn’t want to cross him in work, you know, but they’re some of the sweetest blokes you’ll ever meet.

Prav Solanki:
What was your proudest moment in the military?

Danny Watson:
Getting that green beret, mate. 100%. Every time I look at it, it just meant so much to me, 13 years of… 12 actually. 12 years of wanting that but I wasn’t ever in the right unit. They kept dangling a carrot, “Yeah you can go on it, yeah you can go on it”, and at the last minute, “Nope.” So I had 12 years of just wanting this. I feel like I am that sort of person. I like being a team player, I like physical challenges. Going through the beat after that, I came back from Afghanistan, went straight down to Plymouth. You go on a beat up, the beat up is where they sort of condition you for the course, but it’s actually worse than the course. So you go to a place called Oak Hampton on Dartmoor. Horrendous place. It could be 30 degrees sunshine at the bottom, three miles up the hill you get to Oak Hampton camp and it’s snowing.

Prav Solanki:
Just describe the experience for us sort of lay people.

Danny Watson:
So, Oak Hampton? Or the course in general?

Prav Solanki:
The experience.

Danny Watson:
This was the coldest winter we’d had for 10 years. Remember when we had minus 11 and windchill factors and stuff. We turned up there the first day, and historically, thankfully not for us, what used to happen was they park the minibus at the bottom, you’d have your burg and all your kit, all your civvy bags, so you probably have about 70 kilos worth of kit. They used to park the minivan at the bottom, it’s a three mile probably 10% incline to the top. They’d be like, “Right, you’ve got X amount of time, if you don’t get there in time you’re going back to camp. You can’t even start the beat up.” So we didn’t get to do that, which I’m really thankful for because I probably wouldn’t have made it. No, I would have done. We got to camp and they’re like drop your kit, get your PT kit on, it was pissing down with rain. You had a t-shirt and shorts, that’s it. And trainers, obviously. They just thrashed us for three and a half hours. Running, crawling through water. Keeping with the instructors, they would rotate in and out, so they had fresh legs. Climbing ropes. Three hours.

Danny Watson:
They just wanted to see who wanted to be there. And then the people that couldn’t cope with that. They kept saying, “It’s going to finish lads, it’s going to finish”, and then you go even further and even further. And it was just testing how much you wanted it and your mental capacity. That was a daily occurrence for four weeks. We had two weeks before Christmas, had a two week break and a two week after. Probably that’s not how they usually do it, they usually go four weeks straight. That was really bad because you get to chill out over Christmas. I was consuming about 10,000 calories a day and I was still losing weight. I came home one day, a weekend. We got Saturday afternoons off and Sundays so I went back and it was Rugby International in Cardiff, so I got back, met Allie in town. I wasn’t drinking because I didn’t want to compromise my fitness for the course, so I was out hanging out with them.

Danny Watson:
I was like, right, I need to go and get some food, I’ve already had my breakfast. So I went and got two pies, had those, came back an hour later I was like I need to go out and get some food again, I had a 12 inch Subway, come back. Ont he way home I had fish and chips and when I got home I was like, “Allie, I’m still hungry.” She was like right I’ll cook you up some homemade stir fry and stuff. So it was basically a battle of attrition and then working together. The actual course itself, what happens is you get buddied up with someone. They’re called your basher buddy. The buddy buddy system. He was my guy for the 10 week course. So we’d live in a bed space next to each other on camp and then we’d also, when we’d go out on exercise or week we’d be in the shell scrape together. So you’d have the poncho over the top. He’d cook dinner, I’d clean my weapon or I’d make the brew he’d clean his weapon, we were always together.

Danny Watson:
If it wasn’t for him I’d never got through the course and vice versa. His name’s Paul Squires, absolute legend of a human being. So if I’m at times struggling he’d pick me up and we’d keep going. So getting that at the end of the 30 miler, you’d do these four tests and you culminate with 30 miles over Dartmoor, starting at Oak Hampton Camp, you start on a place called Heartbreak Hill and they run you up that bad boy for the start of a 30 miler. You’re carrying sort of about 25 pound on your back, plus your weapon on top and you’ve got to go and you’ve got to do it in eight hours. You stop every six miles, have a cup of Ribena and a banana. None of these energy drinks and protein shakes. That’s all we got every six miles. Then you finish. Everyone finishes at the same place, and you stand in a hollow square and they present you with a beret and it was the best achievement I ever made.

Payman L:
And yet outside when we were talking, also your lowest moment.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, big time.

Payman L:
Because you were so focused on it.

Danny Watson:
So focused on it. I went back to camp, and I say I wanted it for 12 years, got this green beret, back on camp with all the other green lids in 29 Commando and I just felt lost. I felt absolutely broken, I just didn’t know what I wanted in life. I actually felt like I was going to leave the Army. I actually said, “Guys, I’m going to leave”.

Payman L:
Burn out, is it?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, totally. I didn’t even train for 10 weeks. Luckily I was my own boss, I was a staff sergeant and I ran the rehab centre, so I’d literally just get up when I wanted, go into work, because they were still counting on me, these lads, but I’d get in like an hour late and as soon as I’d finish at four, five o’clock I’d just go to bed. Get in bed, for 10 weeks. I’d phone Allie and she’d be like, “I don’t know what to say to you, I don’t know what to do for you”, and there was nothing she could do. I just keep saying, “Why don’t I just leave, I want to just leave the Army.” Then I had a phone call, I had like an epiphany sort of thing, I had a phone call, one of my mentors that took me though my transfer course to the PT corps. His name is Benny, Carl Bennet. Absolute legend of a human being. Four foot 10. Black belt in Tai Kwan Do. Fourth of Great Britain, he’s a beast. He was so wise as well, he was a Geordie. I just phoned him up and said, “Benny, something’s up with me mate”, and he was just like, “Oh weird, Danny lad” he was like, “All you’ve got to do is switch your focus, kid.”

Danny Watson:
I was like yeah, cheers, mate. I’ve been trying to do that. But those words, it was really weird, so simple. And it was, “You just need to switch your focus, lad. Find something you love doing and just do something new.” It was so simple and I bet Allie’d said that a million times, but because he’s said it I was like yeah. And I thought there’s a Cross Fit gym down there and I’ve been doing it sort of roughly on my own before I stopped training that 10 weeks earlier and I thought, “What am I frightened of?” I need to get off camp, need to meet some people. Some real people. And I went down there and just fell in love with it. It was that community aspect of being around people and the training.

Payman L:
The extremes of that green beret training and then the extremes of war, and the extremes, they have to condition you for that. But then you’re starting a dental surgery, does that leave you as like an adrenaline junky or something? Do you ride fast motorbikes or… do you know what I mean? It’s just a totally different situation.

Danny Watson:
I don’t ride fast motorbikes. My wife wouldn’t let me have a motorbike. I’m not into fast cars, I’m not into anything like that.

Payman L:
To adrenaline?

Danny Watson:
I’m into physical challenges.

Payman L:
Tell us about the chin up thing.

Danny Watson:
I attempted to break the world record for strict pull ups, chin ups, pull ups. You know, hand super pronated rather than supernated. So not facing you, palms away, not facing you. I tried to break the strict pull up record for 24 hours, in December 2016. That got driven from, in 2005 I met a guy called Steve Highland. You can look him up on social media. He’s in his sixties now, the guy is still bashing out pull ups like nothing. He can do like 200 in like 10 minutes. It’s ridiculous. I remember speaking to him at a fitness event and I was like, I wonder if I can do that. He’d just broken the world record and I thought I wonder if I can do that. I was a bit scared to do it on my own, so I phoned my best mate up, Gibbo, who now lives in New Zealand, runs his own gym. I was like, “All right mate, how are you doing?” And we went, “Hey, I’m good, good. What’s up?” I went, “You fancy doing a charity event?”

Danny Watson:
This is back in 2008, so it took me three years to get to this point. I went, “You fancy doing seven chin ups and seven dips every minute for 24 hours?” And he went, “Yeah, yeah. We’ll do it.” There was no question. He was just like, “Yeah, why not, let’s do it to help heroes”. I was like, “Yeah, great”. So we actually did seven chin ups, seven dips every minute and he went let’s go do 20 minutes at lunch and see how it feels. It was really hard. At 20 minutes got back on the phone but we both did it. We got back on the phone and were like it’s doable, from 20 minutes. And we did it in 2008, so I put it to bed then. It’s just niggling away at the back of my head. In February 2016 I watched a guy, someone sent me a link to a Finnish guy doing chin ups in 24 hours and I went, “I’m just going to do it.” So I just messaged someone and said I’m doing it. When I told someone I was doing it.

Prav Solanki:
That was it.

Danny Watson:
I’m doing it. That’s how I roll anyway, that’s my whole thing in life. If you tell someone you’re going to do something you can’t back out of it. And I trained for it. I didn’t break it, that was…

Payman L:
Did it break you?

Danny Watson:
No, it did. And more so, that was my second lowest point after that.

Payman L:
Oh really.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, yeah. Physically and mentally. Mentally I’m probably still recovering from it.

Payman L:
Really?

Danny Watson:
Yeah because training wise I just haven’t got the fire in my belly. I still train four or five times a week, but I haven’t got the fire in my belly like I used to. It took my body to the point where I couldn’t actually do anymore pull ups. I did seven chin ups in an hour at the end of 19 hours. I must have failed, what do you reckon Prav? Probably about 60 of them, 70 of them?

Prav Solanki:
Yeah, yeah.

Danny Watson:
I just couldn’t grip onto the bar, I couldn’t pull. But I didn’t want to give up.

Prav Solanki:
It was awful to see because you see Danny as this chin up guru, right?

Payman L:
You were there in the room?

Prav Solanki:
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I was there, however long you were there, but seeing him being such a strong, fit guy and then look so weak and fail. And not give up, and then to see Danny fall asleep, but his arms kept moving in his sleep as though he was doing chin ups.

Payman L:
Oh my goodness.

Prav Solanki:
He was like having these involuntary actions on his, he was a mess and then for weeks and months later you recovered slowly.

Danny Watson:
Slowly, yeah. I couldn’t even grip.

Prav Solanki:
But lots of good came out of that, Danny.

Danny Watson:
A lot of good. A lot of good. And that’s the thing in life. Out of every situation there’s always something really positive to come out of it. And that situation 17,000 pounds was raised for cleft lip and pallet, clapper. Then lots of friends, people who came, friendships were solidified. Business came out of it, didn’t it Prav? Me and you started a business together. And our relationship’s flourished from that. I don’t think any situation, obviously there’s a few situations where probably no good’s going to come out, but in most you can always take a positive, can’t you?

Payman L:
Yeah.

Danny Watson:
And push forwards. So yeah, physical challenge is one thing I do like doing. Maybe that’s my thing.

Payman L:
You said you were divorced. Was being in the military part of that?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

Payman L:
Is that a common story?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, 100%. Everyone, yeah. There’s a joke, if you’re not married and divorced and married again in the Army you’re not doing it right.

Payman L:
Really?

Danny Watson:
Because you’re away for a long period of time. It happened when I was away, she cheated on me when I was in Iraq the second time and I came back and she was just like, “Nah.” So…

Payman L:
How did that feel?

Danny Watson:
It was pretty shit, mate. Yeah, it was rubbish, but again, you dust yourself off. There’s no point wallowing in your own self pity because you’re not going to change the situation so you’re never look back. The funny thing is, I’ve got one of those minds. I’ve told you about it before, mate. I’ve got one of these things where once a door closes I never think about it pretty much again. Just look, what’s the next thing?

Payman L:
Compartmentalise?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, absolutely. Like going in the float tank, couldn’t remember any of that. Don’t remember any traumatic experience. It’s sort of like, it’s weird isn’t it?

Danny Watson:
Yeah, it’s weird.

Payman L:
It’s like a defence mechanism.

Danny Watson:
I think so, yeah. It must be. Must be.

Prav Solanki:
I remember first meeting Danny and I was reading Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Payman L:
Great.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, brilliant book.

Prav Solanki:
An amazing book. But at the time I met Danny and he was-

Payman L:
At what stage, when was that? Was that before, when he was a soldier or was it dental?

Danny Watson:
I know exactly where I met you, mate. It was in Cross Fit 3D, you were sitting on the couch next to the window after you’d just had a PT session with Rick Whiteleg. You had your car outside and I was like, “Oh, this is quite a nice car”.

Payman L:
Lamborghini.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, it was that. I wasn’t going to say, but.

Prav Solanki:
Thanks, Pay.

Danny Watson:
I went, “That’s a nice car, can I have a ride in it?” And you said yeah, didn’t you! You were like, “Yeah mate, jump in, I’ll take you for a spin”. Then you asked me a couple of questions about what I’m doing in Manchester.

Prav Solanki:
Yeah.

Danny Watson:
You were like, “My brother’s a dentist” and I was like, “Oh, wow. Really?” And you were like, “Yeah, do you want me to get you some work experience with him?” And I was like, “That’d be unbelievable”. But I was in my foundation year, so I knew nothing about dentistry and I still don’t. Yeah, that’s where it all started.

Prav Solanki:
And so the point I was making was that, I was reading that book and I Danny was everything that book taught me. Dale Carnegie goes, “Always ask questions, always ask questions, always ask questions. Always be genuinely interested in the other person”, and that was you.

Payman L:
So it resonated with you because you were reading the book.

Prav Solanki:
Big time. Big time.

Danny Watson:
You never said, you’ve never ever, ever said that to me.

Payman L:
You didn’t know that?

Danny Watson:
I didn’t know that. That’s a good book.

Payman L:
And then you two started training with each other?

Prav Solanki:
I hired him.

Payman L:
Did you?

Danny Watson:
He was unbelievable. I was like yeah, yeah so… he was like, “I might try you”. I was new to this game, I was new to this game and he’s an old sweat at this game, you know. I didn’t know how much I was worth at the time and to be fair I was undercharging for it all because I didn’t value my own knowledge and experience and so I was like, “Yeah it’s 35 quid an hour, but if you buy in bulk 30 quid.”

Prav Solanki:
No 10, you said if I buy 10.

Danny Watson:
If you buy 10 it will be like 30 quid each session. “You went I’ve just put 30 sessions in your bank account”, I was like, “I’ve just won the lottery!” I was like, “Oh my God, what has just happened”. Then I was like how can I get these done quick? Do you want to do every day, mate? No, it was good wasn’t it? That’s how we started, I started training him. Then we’ve just become really good friends and it becomes uncomfortable for me to charge a friend, but you didn’t want to stop. So even when I categorically said I am giving up my personal training, I need to focus on my studies in the fourth year and fifth year, he was like, “I’ll come to your house, I’ll come to your house at six in the morning and train in your cold shed”. I had a full gym in this little shed, didn’t I?

Prav Solanki:
Tiny little space.

Danny Watson:
Cold, mate, in the winter.

Prav Solanki:
Made for people who are about five and a half foot.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, it was really low. We fit it all right. We did all right. I wouldn’t take any money off him then. It was like no way. He’d turn up once, twice a week. Tell you what, it was so cold. We had to have gloves on to pick the bars up. It was good wasn’t it?

Prav Solanki:
It was good times.

Payman L:
You’re into those ghetto gyms, generally, aren’t you? You’re not into the chichi gyms are you?

Prav Solanki:
Definitely not.

Danny Watson:
This boy, he knows how to train all right. He knows how to train really well. I’m so… you sit here, guys, and you obviously interview other people. I’m more interested in you guys. Prav knows when we spent the weekend together recently, as in last weekend, I just asked, I just love getting inside his head and like just before we started this, trying to find out a bit more about you. I find people very, very, very interesting. Why they do the things they do. Prav, for instance, used to be a body builder when he was going through Oxford, you know, clever guy. Then got some serious injuries and lost his way for a bit and keep pecking his head. You know, you need to start mate, you need to start, you need to start.

Danny Watson:
Like I just said, you can hear it and hear it and hear it but then someone says something to you and it switches. And his was Bobby, his wife. Literally was like said a sentence to him and next day, boom. Back on it, and now he looks incredible six months in. It just goes to show when you set your mind to something and you really want it, and you have a plan, and you stick to it consistently, there’s no secret. There’s no secret to any success I don’t think. Irrelevant of what you gauge success to be. Some people’s success will be having lots of things and lots of money, whereas for other people success is having time with your friends and family. Sitting down and read a book, where I can read for two hours a day. For them it’s a lot to have achieved it. It doesn’t matter what it is, you should never snub anyone for what they’re really proud of. It’s really cool isn’t it? It’s like now he’s flying and you’re probably performing better in business-

Prav Solanki:
Totally.

Danny Watson:
And everything, with your family, your kids.

Prav Solanki:
Yeah, yeah, yeah everything.

Danny Watson:
It’s great.

Payman L:
He’s a bit of an obsessive type. I know probably you were procrastinating because you knew, once you jump in you’re jumping in.

Prav Solanki:
I think with the fitness challenge, and it’s a curse as well as gift, right? You know you’ve been there, you know exactly what you need to do to get there and so you can take your foot off the gas and have some cocky arrogance and confidence that you can bounce back, but I tell you something. You cannot even begin to think about or measure what damage you are doing inside.

Danny Watson:
Oh, mate.

Prav Solanki:
Yeah. So I put weight on, I got fat. I was 20 kilos heavier than I am today, right? But what about the clogs in my arteries? What about the damage that’s happened internally that I can’t see? Yeah, I can sit there with arrogance and confidence and say yeah, I can lose 20 kilos like that. Not easy, but I can do it, but I won’t be undoing the irreversible damage that I’ve done whilst I’ve been abusing my body.

Danny Watson:
And you might never.

Prav Solanki:
And I might never. That in itself is, it’s a regret for sure.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, but it’s a cool journey, mate.

Prav Solanki:
Yeah, I’m enjoying it.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, absolutely.

Payman L:
You’ve trained thousands of people, right?

Danny Watson:
Yeah.

Payman L:
What kind of types, did you manage to break them all into it? What types of people do you get? Is everyone fully motivated when they come to you or some people?

Danny Watson:
Absolutely not. There’s, again, I’m a big believer in this sliding spectrum of people, you’ve got these type A people who are just-

Payman L:
It’s as much about psychology as [crosstalk 00:52:04].

Danny Watson:
100%. It’s all about motivators. What motivates the individual to do something. So like normally those people that you see that are gym obsessed, they’ve got some sort of body dysmorphia. Or, they’re narcissistic. [inaudible 00:52:18]. And they don’t necessarily love themselves. That’s a really big mistake people are like, “Oh my god, he loves himself”. Actually, don’t. It’s the polar opposite and they’re quite insecure about it, whereas then the other side of things, there’s someone who, again, still feels the same, absolutely loathes themselves, or almost. But they’re trying to change, they’re trying to get healthy for different reasons. That might be they’ve just had a kid or a loved one might have passed away, or they just all of a sudden went, “I need to do it”. But they’re scared to start because they look a certain way, so coming into the gym, I’m a big advocate of Cross Fit because it’s a community driven training system where you’re not isolated on your own and everyone brings you up and no one’s judging. I’ve seen all sorts. Some people take it on board.

Danny Watson:
It’s not for everyone. There’s a famous saying, it’s says, “Fitness in general”, it’s a Cross Fit person, Greg Glassman said this. He goes, “It’s for anyone, but it’s not for everyone”, and that’s fitness in general. And that means fitness is for anyone but it’s not for everyone.

Payman L:
I get it.

Danny Watson:
So it’s available for everyone, but not everyone will take it up.

Payman L:
Not everyone will take you up.

Danny Watson:
Exactly.

Prav Solanki:
So moving forward, Danny, what exciting new challenges have you got ahead? What doors are you closing, what doors are you opening, moving forward?

Danny Watson:
Job wise, moving out of my first year of foundation training and moving out of the MHS into private dentistry, going to work for your brother. So [inaudible 00:54:07], up in Kiss Dental, and that’s super exciting. Also a little bit daunting, if I’m honest. But really exciting. It’s just a learning platform, isn’t it? To learn and just keep improving and improving. I think you do that in any job you go into. I’m mega chuffed to start in September full time and learn there. Personally, at home I’m going to be a dad next month, so that’s probably an even bigger challenge, to be honest. I am really excited about that, it’s like two years of trying, losing a baby, and now my fingers crossed it all goes well. That’s going to be pretty cool. I know you’re both dads, aren’t you?

Prav Solanki:
Yeah.

Payman L:
Yeah.

Danny Watson:
Best job in the world.

Payman L:
Professionally, do you think you’re going to set your sights on something in dentistry that you’re going to treat like that green beret?

Danny Watson:
I don’t know, at the moment.

Payman L:
I mean, at Kiss Dental it makes a lot of sense to learn implants.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, the thing is I want to do something I like doing, and the other thing is, I don’t want to pigeonhole myself into something. I quite like the idea of being a generalist, but you’ve got to have a little niche. Have to.

Payman L:
Just ask those 700-800 implants a year go in.

Danny Watson:
Yeah.

Payman L:
It’s a great opportunity to learn something about that for sure.

Danny Watson:
And it’s endless. You know, you’ve got like Kay’s going away to Brazil learning to do zygomatic and doing Pterygoid implants, constantly learning different tricks. That side of things is always progressing, you know. The way dentistry’s changing, there’s a lot of digital dentistry. It’s going to be ridiculous, isn’t it? It’s going so quick, so you’ve just got to be on board with it. I haven’t figured out what it is, just yet.

Payman L:
I think you’re very luck with Kaylesh, because I remember we started doing composites 8-9 years ago and he said, “Nah, not for me,” and now composites are a thing and now 40% of his business is composites.

Danny Watson:
Yeah.

Payman L:
He’s so flexible.

Danny Watson:
I know, yeah.

Payman L:
Flexible and willing to learn and find out the best way to do something, the quickest way to do something. It’s a great opportunity just to get a bit of his mindset in dentistry.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, that’s why I’ve obviously been shadowing and watching, a watcher, listener and learner of… when if first shadowed him at that time, he didn’t want to learn nothing about composites. He goes, “I haven’t got time for that, mate. I’m doing implants, I’m doing veneers, or ceramics”, and stuff like that. Now, doing loads of composite work.

Payman L:
Super flexible.

Danny Watson:
Yeah, he’s skilled as well. He’s a fast learner.

Payman L:
Definitely.

Danny Watson:
A fast learner.

Prav Solanki:
So Danny, your last day on the planet, mate. What three pieces of advice are you going to leave with the world?

Danny Watson:
Be around someone you really, really like. So it’s your last day, go and find them. As long as their around, obviously. Be around them. Keep your family as close as possible to you. Life’s too short to be arguing. The other thing is, always look at the positive side of every situation you’re in. Three.

Prav Solanki:
That’s beautiful. Thanks, Danny.

Danny Watson:
Cheers, guys.

Payman L:
That’s amazing. Thank you.

Outro Voice:
This is Dental Leaders, the podcast where you get to go one on one with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your hosts Payman Langroudi and Prav Solanki.

Prav Solanki:
Thank you for tuning in, guys, to the Dental Leaders podcast. Just got a little request to make, if you’ve got a suggestion of somebody else that we should be interviewing or somebody who’s got a really strong story, powerful story to share with us, please send us a message and help us connect with that individual so we can bring their story to the surface.

Payman L:
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Prav Solanki:
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