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VOICE: This [00:00:30] is Dental Leaders. [00:00:35] The podcast where you get to go one on one [00:00:40] with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your [00:00:45] hosts Payman Langroudi and Prav Solanki.

Payman Langroudi: It [00:00:50] gives me great pleasure to welcome again to the Dental [00:00:55] leaders podcast, acne. And I go back quite a long way. Um, actually, [00:01:00] it’s become internationally known as, uh, minimally invasive [00:01:05] direct composite expert. Um, goes around the world [00:01:10] lecturing and actually lecturing tomorrow in London. Um, so we’ve managed to grab you now, [00:01:15] as well as being the clinical lead at the Baltic Academy of Aesthetic Dentistry. [00:01:20] Agni is our distributor for enlighten in Lithuania. Um, [00:01:25] a bio emulation accredited. Is that the way you say it?

Agne Malisauskiene: A member [00:01:30] of bio member.

Payman Langroudi: Of bio emulation has been on ripe global, really creating a fantastic [00:01:35] career and really putting Vilnius on the dental map [00:01:40] for, you know, world experts now land in Vilnius, um, [00:01:45] through Agni. And it’s a beautiful place that I came to with the beautiful sunshine. [00:01:50] Lovely to have you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, thank you for having me. First and foremost, it’s super [00:01:55] exciting. Um, I think we talked about this a couple years ago. Yeah. And [00:02:00] and, you know, it takes time, right. Um, it’s lovely to be here. And yes, [00:02:05] we’ve met years.

Payman Langroudi: When was it, when was the first time you met?

Agne Malisauskiene: Years ago. Um. [00:02:10]

Payman Langroudi: I feel like IDs.

Agne Malisauskiene: It was IDs. And JJ was [00:02:15] my older son. He was, um, a year and a half. So [00:02:20] that means it’s exactly seven years ago. This is when we met. [00:02:25]

Payman Langroudi: Is he eight and a half?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, he’s eight and a half, so it’s easy to count. Um, that’s.

Payman Langroudi: I should [00:02:30] have thrown in. Mother of two. Along with the whole thing. The juggle is real, [00:02:35] huh?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. Um. It’s fun. It’s fun.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:02:40] from that time till now, your career has been absolutely [00:02:45] rocketing.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s a roller coaster.

Payman Langroudi: Must be. Must feel like [00:02:50] that for you.

Agne Malisauskiene: It is. I do remember when we met in the first time [00:02:55] I came to the mini smile makeover, I remember I was so [00:03:00] excited and it was. Everything was so interesting [00:03:05] and I thought, like, how and why would you, um, [00:03:10] trust in me? Because I came as a help for Depeche [00:03:15] and I was like, you met me. We talked for like, uh, I don’t know, two minutes, [00:03:20] three minutes. And you’re like, so you’re coming to mini smile makeover. I have this idea. I [00:03:25] was like, how would you. I just don’t know you though.

Payman Langroudi: I [00:03:30] knew you from before. Like that wasn’t the first time I had met you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Okay. So, [00:03:35] um, I came then and I’ve been coming for, [00:03:40] for a while, I guess up to the, up to the Covid or Brexit or whatever [00:03:45] thing. It was like.

Payman Langroudi: You know what always used to make me feel amazing like, like this mother of two [00:03:50] is getting on a plane and coming all the way to London to help out [00:03:55] on a composite course, and then go all the way back, and you must you must have done that a good six, [00:04:00] eight times. Yeah. Um, and I thought the determination of this person. [00:04:05]

Agne Malisauskiene: Was a mother of one.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, you were the one back then. At the time.

Agne Malisauskiene: But [00:04:10] no, you don’t understand. I learned loads. Like I learned loads. [00:04:15] I learned a lot about, um, giving a course, [00:04:20] about teaching a course. I learned a lot about hospitality [00:04:25] of the course. Like so many things come into play and unless you’re [00:04:30] not running your own courses, you have no clue. And this is why [00:04:35] I always say that if someone really wants to do their own courses, oh, [00:04:40] I just dare them and I’m the one to. I’m just gonna watch you after the the day. I’m [00:04:45] just gonna look in your eyes.

Payman Langroudi: It’s just events are tough. It’s tough to make money. [00:04:50] It’s tough to make them amazing without losing money, is what I found. Yes. Um, like [00:04:55] the one I came to in Vilnius. What an amazing event that was. You got just that. I mean, it was amazing [00:05:00] weather, but the outside bit. You guys have done live music, like [00:05:05] some Michelin star food coming out and stuff. And, um, you know, the weird [00:05:10] that it’s kind of like being a dentist that the better, the harder you try, the less [00:05:15] money you make. It is.

Agne Malisauskiene: Always like that because you want everything.

Agne Malisauskiene: Better, you want materials better, [00:05:20] you want equipment better, you want this, that, and then it suddenly becomes you [00:05:25] buying a new camera. It’s just like a pocket money, kind of, because then you bought something [00:05:30] crazy ahead of time. And it is what it is. And [00:05:35] it’s true. And I think that I learned so much and, [00:05:40] um, I would never have done this without you. So [00:05:45] yeah. No, no, no, I told you, you’re my favourite person in Dental industry. I’ve [00:05:50] told you that many times, you know. So this is a thing, you know, I learned a lot. And then [00:05:55] I’m not the one to hide it where I learned it from. So I really like [00:06:00] to, you know, I’m very grateful.

Payman Langroudi: I like that man. I mean, you guys have been so [00:06:05] professional, much more professional than us. When I came over the mantas, [00:06:10] your husband, who handles the the back end of it, sent me all these amazing notes [00:06:15] on what to do from the airport, how to get into Vilnius, how to get to your facility, [00:06:20] all of that. And the facility there is amazing. Tell me about that. So how many people do [00:06:25] you train in your facility?

Agne Malisauskiene: It was meant for 16. Um, [00:06:30] but then we were counting because we were doing [00:06:35] it. We were like reconstructing it from like office building [00:06:40] into the training facility during Covid. So that was a gamble. Yeah, yeah. At the time you [00:06:45] had distancing and first When we started out, we didn’t know if we’re gonna [00:06:50] open at all. Yeah. And then that was a gamble. And then, um, [00:06:55] then new regulation about the social distancing came about. So we counted [00:07:00] that if we see it in every other seat into the, in the row of three, [00:07:05] we would see two. And we’re like, so the math ends up being, I don’t know, 9 [00:07:10] or 10 still okay, still fine. Still we can manage that. And I was like, it’s [00:07:15] three, three, three three. So it’s two, two, two, two eight. And then it was supposed [00:07:20] to be ten. Yeah. Because two and two in the back. And um, and [00:07:25] then it was all fine again. So it was all 16 back again. And then [00:07:30] we bought phantom heads and to move around people on phantom heads because [00:07:35] you cannot go in front and you cannot take the model. You have to go around because there’s a [00:07:40] head. Now we do 1213 um, and it’s okay. [00:07:45]

Payman Langroudi: No, But how many people have gone through your courses in total? Like, what are we talking. [00:07:50] Hundreds.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thousands.

Payman Langroudi: Thousands.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Like, how often do you teach there? [00:07:55]

Agne Malisauskiene: I teach. It used to be 12 [00:08:00] times a year. Now it’s about six, [00:08:05] maybe seven, eight. Because now I’m away for too much. So.

Payman Langroudi: But [00:08:10] the rest of the time, other people come in.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Of course. And the list is amazing. All [00:08:15] the way from DC to Payman Langroudi. Who else? Who else have you had there? You’ve had so many [00:08:20] amazing speakers there.

Agne Malisauskiene: Lucas Lassman. You know the guy. Um oh, [00:08:25] we we had like any, anyone and [00:08:30] everyone that we wanted at the time.

Payman Langroudi: Just list a few for me. Indulge me.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh [00:08:35] dear God.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is very difficult.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is very. Okay, so I [00:08:40] would start with, uh, Ramon Gomez, Maida And, um, Howard [00:08:45] Gluckman. So all the surgical, uh, Ricardo Kern. Kern. [00:08:50] Ricardo was three times. I think he’s booked for the next time again. [00:08:55] Um, we have quite a quite a bit of interest in those surgical [00:09:00] courses as well as composite and, um, for [00:09:05] composite, it works better on hands on for surgical, we can have larger groups. I guess [00:09:10] this is how it goes. They can handle more people. Um Dia has been [00:09:15] there twice. He’s coming back for the third time. Um, [00:09:20] I don’t know. David. Gerardo. Stefan brought we.

Payman Langroudi: He’s been there many times. [00:09:25]

Agne Malisauskiene: Right.

Payman Langroudi: Javier Tapia you’ve had Javier as well.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. Like I don’t know, three [00:09:30] times.

Payman Langroudi: Wow.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s a country of you know, um, [00:09:35] I was just thinking because I was listening to your, uh, [00:09:40] to her podcast and she was like, she’s referring always. [00:09:45] Oh, I’m Eastern European. So this has happened because I’m eastern. I’m like, first and foremost, we’re Northern [00:09:50] Europeans.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah. You’re closer to Swedish than you are to Romanian. Yeah. [00:09:55]

Agne Malisauskiene: Because we kind of look more like Norwegians.

Agne Malisauskiene: I would say. Um, in Norway, [00:10:00] everybody talks to me in Norwegian. I just walk down the street. But um, [00:10:05] but it is the land of we have way too [00:10:10] many dentists. Let’s just say that we do. I think we’re like number two or now maybe [00:10:15] number three country out of dentists per capita. Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Is that.

Agne Malisauskiene: Right? So we [00:10:20] have a lot of dentists. Competition is super high. So everybody needs to be better, faster, stronger. [00:10:25]

Payman Langroudi: Mhm. I remember you telling me composite bonding was in vogue years and years and years [00:10:30] ago. Yeah. You know, because here it’s kind of, I don’t know, five, six years old [00:10:35] as far as, you know, becoming popularised. Maybe a bit more, Maybe a bit [00:10:40] more. Maybe 7 or 8 years old as far as becoming popularised. But you were telling me years ago.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh yeah. Of course.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:10:45] it’s kind of ahead of the curve as well in that sense.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, because it’s cheaper.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, [00:10:50] is that why?

Agne Malisauskiene: No, it’s because it’s cheaper. And um we’re not [00:10:55] like we’re not the people to trust somebody else with our stuff. This is what I [00:11:00] think. I think we have trust issues, you know, being post-Soviet and all. Yeah. Um, and [00:11:05] then when you can do something with your hands, you know how it’s going to turn out.

Payman Langroudi: Control. [00:11:10]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. It’s just a control freaks, basically.

Payman Langroudi: I also found Vilnius [00:11:15] very cool. I mean, I mean, cool is a funny word. Yeah. Because, you know, the kind of look on [00:11:20] people’s faces is kind of kind of, kind of, kind of standoffish. Yeah. But what I love [00:11:25] about it is that like, they kind of stand offish until they’re not. And then suddenly they’re the complete opposite, [00:11:30] like, trust you with their lives.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, it is. It is like that. It is like that because [00:11:35] you have to.

Payman Langroudi: Flip is amazing.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s the fact that everybody is like protecting [00:11:40] their own space, their environment.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Up until the point that they’re [00:11:45] like, you’ve been in their environment for long enough for some, you may need five minutes, [00:11:50] for some a little bit longer. And then they’re.

Agne Malisauskiene: Like.

Agne Malisauskiene: Here to get you.

Payman Langroudi: But also, but also [00:11:55] like really cool coffee shops, cool design everywhere. Um, it’s [00:12:00] you moved from here to there, didn’t you? Came here for a while. Yeah. And [00:12:05] then you moved back and what was, was the sort of the driver for that. Could you tell Vilnius [00:12:10] is happening and I need to get back. No, no, it was a.

Payman Langroudi: Driver.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, the first [00:12:15] and foremost, I never thought I’m gonna move to UK.

Payman Langroudi: I was just here for a bit. [00:12:20]

Agne Malisauskiene: Well, my plan was to be here for a year. But then [00:12:25] Mantas, my husband, he got way too comfortable. He got [00:12:30] way too comfortable. The thing was that, well, the idea was basically [00:12:35] that he was approached at LinkedIn. Someone offered him a job. Um, [00:12:40] and he said, I’m gonna apply. And before that, in Lithuania, we were working [00:12:45] both of us 8 to 8 every day. And sometimes I would come in on Saturdays because [00:12:50] somebody wanted something. And I’m, I’m a people pleaser. So I like to for [00:12:55] everybody to feel comfortable around me. So this is what it is. And I’m like, okay, I will [00:13:00] come in on Saturday. But then you see that 20 like that 8 [00:13:05] to 8, 12 hours a day doesn’t really work that well. And then he [00:13:10] got, you know, he was working at UI at that point. Yeah. [00:13:15] So they were working, I don’t know, these people don’t understand the holidays.

Payman Langroudi: Anything [00:13:20] consultant.

Agne Malisauskiene: Was.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, he was a tax.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah. They basically say here’s a [00:13:25] phone answer it any time day or night.

Agne Malisauskiene: And it was crazy. Um, [00:13:30] we would get back home around nine ish 9 p.m. or so. [00:13:35] And then so he got a message on LinkedIn. He applied and suddenly [00:13:40] he got a job and he said, what do we do in London? You [00:13:45] mean it was Brighton? Brighton. And I was started. I started [00:13:50] to cry. I said, I don’t want to be a chicken factory girl. I’m a dentist. Because it [00:13:55] looked like all of Lithuania’s who were moving. That was a long time ago. When the [00:14:00] borders open, right. They would go either to strawberry farms or chicken factory. [00:14:05] That was like it was a major joke. And I was like, I expected to go to Spain for a year [00:14:10] or something like that. But then I told him that if I can get a job really [00:14:15] fast, like in a month or so, we can move. I got a job [00:14:20] in three days. Wow, that was super fast. And and then we moved there. I [00:14:25] came a month later, um, because I had to fix [00:14:30] all the documents and everything else. I came a month later and we had a completely [00:14:35] different life. Um.

Payman Langroudi: What was your first impression of UK dentistry [00:14:40] compared to what you were used to?

Agne Malisauskiene: First and foremost, very short working hours. I [00:14:45] would work from 930 to 5 p.m. with one hour lunch break. We didn’t know [00:14:50] what to do with our time. We signed up at the library. We were reading books. [00:14:55] We were walking by the by the sea. We were working by the water.

Payman Langroudi: We would work on the practice. Was it a [00:15:00] mixed or a.

Agne Malisauskiene: It was completely private.

Payman Langroudi: Okay.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, I could not do NHS. It takes [00:15:05] like a year to get.

Payman Langroudi: Oh the number.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. So just it just too long. [00:15:10] Right. So it was completely private. Um I was on a salary, not on [00:15:15] the percentage. Later on I, I was told that the salary was very [00:15:20] low, but honestly, it was, it was, [00:15:25] I don’t know. Um the problem I had very nice clinic. I [00:15:30] had my own room nobody like to share it with, and everything [00:15:35] was super clean, sterile. That I was not used to that kind of [00:15:40] a thing. So when the Covid hit in Lithuania, I was like, now it’s normal, now it’s normal, now everything [00:15:45] is clean, now it’s normal. I don’t like you filthy people. But, um, [00:15:50] so it was a lot different. Um, it was an implant clinic. So everything was [00:15:55] oriented about the implants. I came there to do only interiors. And [00:16:00] once I came, I was told three times you watch um implant placement [00:16:05] three times. And the fourth time you’re doing it yourself. And I was like implant no. And [00:16:10] they’re like, no, no, no, that’s easy. But I ended up not doing one implant ever. [00:16:15] I did do porcelain. I did endo, which I was not doing at home [00:16:20] at that moment, but it was easy and dose in UK because in Lithuania everything was calcified. [00:16:25] Like you would be like the third person going into that tooth, there is always the first [00:16:30] one.

Payman Langroudi: And what about patient mindset? Oh dear. What’s [00:16:35] the biggest difference?

Agne Malisauskiene: I’m not very sensitive person. Right. So the thing is that my [00:16:40] patients will tell you that I’m very compassionate, but only because [00:16:45] they’re Lithuanian. So they’re kind of used to being like a very, um, [00:16:50] straightforward approach. Right. I’m very direct. And, um, you know, [00:16:55] if you need, uh, what if someone comes to me like a person, right? Not a patient, like a person [00:17:00] and they’re complaining about something. So if you want solutions, [00:17:05] you come to me. But if you need a shoulder to cry on, it’s probably not. I’m not the person. [00:17:10] So I would be like, okay, we’re doing, um, panoramic X-ray and [00:17:15] we’re checking everything. And I’m like, okay, so Mrs. this and this I [00:17:20] see this is a cavity. This is a cavity. This is a cavity. This is that, this is this tooth is okay. This is that, [00:17:25] this is that. Oh, that’s neat. Root canal. This needs extraction. And then somebody’s crying and [00:17:30] I’m like, what what what what what what? So that was very [00:17:35] strange. And, um, I [00:17:40] had to get used to that. I got used to that pretty easily. So. So [00:17:45] apparently on the first visit you just get rapport. Yes, [00:17:50] basically. And then you just talk about fairy tales and, and, you [00:17:55] know, I don’t know, rainbows and butterflies and something else. And then you slowly get them into that mood, [00:18:00] you know, about talking about serious stuff, right? So I got used to that. [00:18:05] But then I was super popular amongst Italians, [00:18:10] French, Spanish, and somehow there was like a big group of Bulgarians that would come to me. [00:18:15] So I ended up being an ex-pat dentist.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, funny.

Agne Malisauskiene: And they would [00:18:20] come to the American dentist. They would say, I want to see that American one. I was like, I’m not American. [00:18:25] I’m like, don’t worry.

Payman Langroudi: Did you speak English perfectly at that point?

Agne Malisauskiene: I went to high school [00:18:30] in the middle of cornfields in Indiana when I was 16 for a year in the military [00:18:35] academy.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, I see.

Agne Malisauskiene: So I could speak not like it would [00:18:40] not be very Dental ish words, right? Yeah. Um, sometimes I still [00:18:45] have a hard time to express myself.

Payman Langroudi: So was your. What? Your dad was a military guy?

Agne Malisauskiene: No, [00:18:50] I was a smart kid. I got a scholarship in a very fancy school.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, I see.

Agne Malisauskiene: And [00:18:55] I was alone by yourself. Boarding school? Yeah. For a year.

Payman Langroudi: What a formative.

Payman Langroudi: Thing to happen. [00:19:00] Like, did it form you that.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, it did.

Payman Langroudi: It must have.

Agne Malisauskiene: Right.

Agne Malisauskiene: I, um, it [00:19:05] changed me completely. Like it changed everything. What I see I [00:19:10] come from, you know, again, eastern northern Europe and I come [00:19:15] there and everything is different. It’s in the middle of cornfields. It’s a massive school. Think [00:19:20] about Harry Potter land, right? There was like kilometres and kilometres [00:19:25] of that school. And every single class happens in a different building. Everybody wears uniform [00:19:30] all the time. In a year there were like four days that you can [00:19:35] wear civil clothes that they called them.

Payman Langroudi: Whoa.

Agne Malisauskiene: And everything was counted. [00:19:40]

Payman Langroudi: It’s very un-American, isn’t it?

Agne Malisauskiene: Very inspections. Every day you stand there and then, you know, [00:19:45] for girls it was okay. For boys, it was proper left, left, left, [00:19:50] right, left. It’s like they were proper military, right. Um, for girls, it was calmer [00:19:55] kind of a thing. You still had to salute when you go to a certain place, but, um.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:20:00] you were in military uniform?

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, no, no, it looked like a preppy kind of [00:20:05] a preppy school uniform. Boys were in military [00:20:10] uniforms all the time, like all of their things that whatever. Yeah, yeah, [00:20:15] yeah, yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Stuff. General.

Agne Malisauskiene: What it gave me, it’s crazy because [00:20:20] one of the main, um, every new student [00:20:25] doesn’t matter the grade they’re coming into. Um, they had to take this, um, [00:20:30] informational literacy class. Um, that was [00:20:35] the way they taught were to get the information, how to use library [00:20:40] that’s physical, how to use PubMed for example. Right. And we [00:20:45] all had to do thesis, write research papers and do like proper research. [00:20:50] And I was. So if the ninth grader comes in, they do this. [00:20:55] I was at the 11th grade. I would go with ninth graders or 10th graders, whoever come. We, [00:21:00] we formed that class. And then we were taught that. And another very [00:21:05] important class was called leadership. So you would have robotics [00:21:10] one day. And then, um, what they were telling us and the way [00:21:15] they were teaching us is how you can be a leader. And if [00:21:20] you don’t want to be a leader, everybody’s got a space in the team. So teamwork was [00:21:25] the idea that everybody would find their own path, their own space, and [00:21:30] everybody had to take some sort of a leadership in academics. Doesn’t matter how good they are. [00:21:35] They still had to take a leadership in academics. Academics would mean you can [00:21:40] tutor Jim, you can tutor anything else you can [00:21:45] tutor, or you can help others to find something in the library. You still had a job to do, per [00:21:50] se. Everybody had a job. And then because it was a boarding school, even the [00:21:55] kids who were not boarding full time, they would have to be. And they [00:22:00] had a room and a bed that they would stay a certain amount of time per [00:22:05] semester.

Payman Langroudi: To be part of it.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because they had to be in there because in the dorm you also had [00:22:10] leadership positions. So it’s either dorm, prefect, hall, prefect, [00:22:15] someone who’s responsible for making sure that the trash is taken out [00:22:20] in the kitchen, is cleaned up, and then everybody had to have those [00:22:25] positions. And for me, that was very odd, very strange. But [00:22:30] then I came back home and I was like the one who would say hi to everybody [00:22:35] or say, oh, I really like your skirt. Oh, you look so nice.

Payman Langroudi: Normally happen in Lithuania. [00:22:40]

Agne Malisauskiene: And then everybody would look at me like, she is properly insane person. [00:22:45] And I think that contributed so much to who I am now.

Payman Langroudi: And [00:22:50] it’s so interesting, you know, because I’ve had people here who have [00:22:55] been soldiers, um, or sometimes, you know, dentists in, in the [00:23:00] military and who’ve gone on to do unbelievable things, [00:23:05] you know, using that discipline. Um, you know, following [00:23:10] instructions, a simple thing. Yeah. But you’re a teacher. Yeah. You have a class of 12 people. [00:23:15] Four of them definitely don’t follow instructions at all, and [00:23:20] four of them follow instructions really well, and then everyone else is in the middle. Yeah. And I have had [00:23:25] similar situations. There are certain individuals who just follow instructions. They do what they’re [00:23:30] taught. Yeah. And the military kind of makes you that person. Yeah. So I’ve [00:23:35] had I’ve had a guy here, um, Mike pesca and he’s, he’s like gone [00:23:40] from the military to opening a practice, selling it four [00:23:45] years later for ten times what he bought it for, then teaching other dentists and, [00:23:50] and he puts it all down to having the mindset of discipline and following instructions. [00:23:55] Then you get other types of soldiers who have been through war and [00:24:00] are damaged goods. Yeah. You know, they’ve got PTSD and they can’t relate [00:24:05] and work. And I was trying to find out from him, you know, how come one guy comes out and [00:24:10] uses uses it like that and another guy comes out and ends up homeless or, [00:24:15] or or whatever, you know, what’s the difference between those two people? But that’s [00:24:20] an aside. I want to get back to you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, it’s a brain damaged again, I guess.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. [00:24:25]

Agne Malisauskiene: Do you know about the brain scans that they would do? They did a test from [00:24:30] the troops that would come back from Afghanistan, for example.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: They would age in [00:24:35] one session that they go they go for like what, six months in one session?

Agne Malisauskiene: One day.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. One tour. [00:24:40] They would age minimum five years. Some would age like 30 years. [00:24:45]

Agne Malisauskiene: Wow.

Agne Malisauskiene: And that PTSD is insane. Like they hear something gets [00:24:50] bombs in their heads.

Agne Malisauskiene: Like, yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I guess it depends where they were stationed and all the [00:24:55] rest of them and still personal things.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I used to.

Payman Langroudi: Think it’s the odd soldier that that [00:25:00] happens to, but the way people describe it to me is the odd soldier that it doesn’t [00:25:05] happen to, you know, in those conditions, like living in that condition of constantly thinking [00:25:10] something is going to go wrong. And and like you say, explosions, helicopters. Um, I’ve got another [00:25:15] friend who used to teach on MSM. And every time a helicopter would go over, he would fall to the [00:25:20] ground, you know, like because of his experience.

Payman Langroudi: Here you go.

Payman Langroudi: Um, I want to know [00:25:25] about how did you even find out about this school and why were you this swotty kid? Like, why? [00:25:30] When do you remember not being top of your class?

Agne Malisauskiene: I don’t.

Payman Langroudi: You’ve always been [00:25:35] that.

Payman Langroudi: Kid.

Agne Malisauskiene: My kid is as well.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yes.

Payman Langroudi: But [00:25:40] is there is there not a why there? So like, you know, like, you know, like some people are, there’s [00:25:45] sometimes there’s an event or there’s a situation, one person sort [00:25:50] of ends up jumping into their books.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. [00:25:55]

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, just a good girl. Like.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, it was, [00:26:00] um, you know, maybe it’s odd to say, but it [00:26:05] was not like I would never study before the exam past [00:26:10] 10 p.m., I had the saying that if you didn’t eat enough, you [00:26:15] don’t have what to look from. Right. So I would never study before the exam.

Payman Langroudi: Like if I [00:26:20] the night before, you mean?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, if I but not any night. I would go to sleep [00:26:25] at 10 p.m. and I would wake up at seven in the morning. And, um, [00:26:30] and I think that I would always say that with your fresh brain, you can think [00:26:35] better. For me, even now, dentistry is very logical. If you [00:26:40] actually, if I needed to memorise, this is why I was bad in history. There’s no [00:26:45] logic there. Well, now I think it is because you can follow the [00:26:50] circadian kind of, uh, things that happen, right? But, um, everything [00:26:55] in school is quite logical. If you use your brain, you can [00:27:00] find the answers to things. And I think I was using [00:27:05] that brain. So for me, I would rather have my brain working rather [00:27:10] than I didn’t sleep and I didn’t do something right. So sometimes I would do like this, [00:27:15] especially I remember the, uh, an anatomy exam in university. It [00:27:20] was like so hard. And I was like, please, please, please don’t. We would have to pick out the [00:27:25] the bone kind of names. And then we have to tell everything about the bone. I ended [00:27:30] up getting, um, a palm, all the bones. And I was like, I did [00:27:35] not read about this, but then because it’s Latin, you can [00:27:40] think about the bone, where it starts, where it ends, and you can figure out the name [00:27:45] because somebody had to name these things or tuberosities or something. Yeah, [00:27:50] they had to name it and they didn’t invent the names out of like anything. [00:27:55] It was made in perfect on purpose. So I got like my, I don’t know what B plus [00:28:00] without knowing anything, it just logic’s out of that.

Agne Malisauskiene: And coming back to the school. [00:28:05] It was not the school, it’s the program. It’s called the American Secondary Schools for International Students [00:28:10] and Teachers. It’s a big program. It’s just global, right? So they take [00:28:15] 10th graders or 15 year olds at that time, generally, depending on what [00:28:20] grade you are, I guess now. Um, and then you need, um, transcript from [00:28:25] school. Uh, you need to show that you’re doing extracurriculars. So that means [00:28:30] pictures and some notes. And then you need one English teacher recommendation and [00:28:35] two other teachers recommendations. And then you send that out. Um, and [00:28:40] then their English language exam, which is very easy. And [00:28:45] then, and then there is an interview. So we were 33 at [00:28:50] the interview, the final stages, the interview. So they, they kind of a check first, the grades [00:28:55] and everything else. References. Then they choose, they chose it. My year was 110 [00:29:00] I think for the English language exam and after the exam it was 33 [00:29:05] that went in for the interview. And um you don’t pick schools [00:29:10] so it’s it’s chosen for you. I think at that time it was like 500 schools in the [00:29:15] US. And then but the interviewers, because I know now how it [00:29:20] goes. So interviewers, what they do, they kind of mark and they have kind of a, they look at you [00:29:25] and they kind of have an idea that you would belong well, in that school. [00:29:30] How would they choose a military academy for me when, when my friend got, um, [00:29:35] she was not my friend at that time. We met there and my friend got all girls school. [00:29:40] That was a lot different than mine was.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: But, um, [00:29:45] but then you get chosen and then you wait for the like I got, [00:29:50] I got in the list. So I was there and then you get a month later [00:29:55] an email with the school when you cannot really say no anymore.

Payman Langroudi: Changed [00:30:00] your life in a way, right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh it does. And now I’m quite active on the [00:30:05] on the on that program I do.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, really?

Agne Malisauskiene: Donate money. [00:30:10] I do.

Payman Langroudi: Believe.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because I do feel like, you know, it helped me so much. And [00:30:15] I know the organisation, the charity, the fund that is involved in organising [00:30:20] that in Lithuania. So I do that through them. It’s super nice and [00:30:25] it’s nice. I think it’s this is the American thought as well. They [00:30:30] everybody had to do charity work in school as well. Everybody [00:30:35] had to be involved.

Payman Langroudi: In the.

Payman Langroudi: Charity sector in America is gigantic.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Gigantic. [00:30:40] Partly because the state doesn’t help.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: You know, it’s in a way that it does [00:30:45] more heavy lifting the charity sector in the US and people, people who [00:30:50] make it in the US tend to like do some form of [00:30:55] charity, whether it’s a religious thing or whether they just want to be famous [00:31:00] for being a philanthropist or whatever. As a as a country, it’s one of the [00:31:05] cornerstones. Whereas here there is charity, but there’s also a state. There’s a safety [00:31:10] net that, you know, you lose your job in America, you can fall right through the net. [00:31:15] You know, if you a couple of bad things can happen here and you could fall right through the net, the [00:31:20] health insurance.

Agne Malisauskiene: It.

Agne Malisauskiene: Is crazy.

Payman Langroudi: It’s it’s a country of winning and losing, isn’t it?

Agne Malisauskiene: You know.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:31:25] tell me this. When did dentistry come into the mix? Did you have any family [00:31:30] members?

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Payman Langroudi: Well, what did your parents do?

Agne Malisauskiene: My. [00:31:35] My parents both graduated from, um, university. [00:31:40] That is for teachers. So, um, my dad was supposed to be [00:31:45] a teacher of, I don’t know how you call it, but this like crafts, the wooden kind of thing. [00:31:50]

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is where everybody went because they wanted to go to university. That was like [00:31:55] easy escape. You just get in. You don’t apply, you just get in. And my mom [00:32:00] was supposed to be a physics teacher, though she was. She always wanted to be a doctor. She [00:32:05] was smart enough to be a doctor, but she was from a small village out of, [00:32:10] um, five, six kids. Let’s just call them. And, um, [00:32:15] her older sister didn’t get into the pharmacy the first year, and [00:32:20] she was like, ashamed of that. So she didn’t want to see that. So she just went to be a physics [00:32:25] teacher because she knew she will get in easily. Um, and [00:32:30] my dad, so my mom was working at university of those teachers [00:32:35] again.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, she.

Payman Langroudi: Was working in.

Agne Malisauskiene: She was working.

Agne Malisauskiene: At the same university. Um, and [00:32:40] my dad was a driver for the pharmaceutical company. He still is.

Agne Malisauskiene: And, [00:32:45] you know, he was like.

Payman Langroudi: What they call what your dad learned is here, they call [00:32:50] it design and tech. Yeah, yeah. Um, interestingly, you know, he did a, a level [00:32:55] final exam in design and tech, as well as physics, maths and chemistry, [00:33:00] whatever the ones you need to get into dentistry. And he says that that design and tech thing [00:33:05] helped him much more or helps him much more every day than [00:33:10] physics, chemistry and maths. Um.

Agne Malisauskiene: Of course.

Payman Langroudi: Because [00:33:15] of, you know, like just a lot of dentistry is engineering in a way, right?

Agne Malisauskiene: So [00:33:20] that’s a thing. Everybody says it’s an art. For me, it’s so far from art [00:33:25] because you’re not creating anything. You’re copying what you do. You’re just trying [00:33:30] to copy something, right?

Payman Langroudi: Yeah. And forms. Form follows. Function. Right. That’s it. [00:33:35] Really. When you first click that, I think for me, it was maybe eight years after I qualified [00:33:40] where it just clicked that why are these things, these shapes? Why [00:33:45] are they these shapes? There’s a reason, there’s a reason, there’s a reason. There’s weather. You know, there’s a contact [00:33:50] where food doesn’t get in or there’s a lip, you know, there’s the the space for your tongue. You know, [00:33:55] there’s all of it is for a reason or you’re, of course, the occlusion and the way things move over each other. And [00:34:00] it’s a very empowering idea. Right?

Agne Malisauskiene: It is. And I think of a.

Agne Malisauskiene: Dentistry [00:34:05] as engineering, but also as a craft. So it’s a craft. And, [00:34:10] and I guess if somebody asked me.

Payman Langroudi: Attention to detail is this is this what [00:34:15] you mean by craft?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Well, crafty, that means that you can do [00:34:20] small, tiny things with your hands, basically.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm.

Agne Malisauskiene: And, uh, [00:34:25] and if somebody asked me, oh, do you think I should go to dental school? [00:34:30] I say, did you do any crafts as a kid? Meaning you would sit for hours and do small, [00:34:35] tiny things with your hands? I don’t know whether that’s plasticine, something like moulding something [00:34:40] with your hands or knitting or crochet for me was crochet. I would make [00:34:45] like crochet napkins to all the aunts, but I would not make one. I would [00:34:50] get a set for them, and it was so fast in that I did make myself [00:34:55] like pants and purses and things like that. So it’s very hard for [00:35:00] me to sell craft because I look at it. I’m like, I was eight, I could do that. [00:35:05]

Payman Langroudi: Okay, so, so so why dentistry? Like because of that.

Agne Malisauskiene: But no. [00:35:10]

Payman Langroudi: How did it.

Agne Malisauskiene: Happen? My, um, my uncle’s wife was a dentist and [00:35:15] there was a dental chair, uh, probably super illegal thing. She [00:35:20] had a dental chair in the grandma’s wooden house where there was [00:35:25] no running water. I don’t just, I remember as a very small child [00:35:30] that she would have that dental chair. I don’t know why, but maybe it was just stored there. But [00:35:35] I remember that, uh, but we were not close to them. I just knew that she [00:35:40] was a dentist. That was pretty much it. And then, um, I was super scared of dentists. Like [00:35:45] my heart would like flutter. And when I had to get sealants, I told my mom I will do [00:35:50] it myself. She should wait downstairs. I never came in. I just went to the bathroom, sat there [00:35:55] for a little waited, and then I left and I said, it’s all done.

Payman Langroudi: Does that inform the [00:36:00] way you handle patients? Like nervous patients? Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because I’m [00:36:05] I go through the jokes like if they say I’m scared and I [00:36:10] said, good, because I am not. It would be a problem that if I was [00:36:15] scared and then suddenly they’re like, changed their minds. I talk through [00:36:20] what I do and I say, there’s going to be a moment that you will fall asleep. And [00:36:25] they’re like, no, no, not me, not me. And I’m like, yes, there’s going to be a moment that you will fall asleep. That’s fine. [00:36:30] I will wake you up when I need to do the polishing because this will scare you, the sounds and everything [00:36:35] else. And um, so it’s quite fine. I did have patient [00:36:40] long, long time ago, after I graduated. The one that would [00:36:45] have her hands over her mouth. She was a kid. Um, it took me [00:36:50] five visits to get the hands off. Um, I was very young [00:36:55] and very determined, so I had to do this. And that kid. Oh, she [00:37:00] would go to me for forever to listen.

Payman Langroudi: People underestimate if [00:37:05] you’re good with nervous patients. People underestimate what a massive thing that is. Because, [00:37:10] you know, I don’t know about, uh, Lithuania, but here the studies that I [00:37:15] saw, half the population are scared, of course. So that means that means half the. And [00:37:20] then the great thing about scared patients is they talk to each other when they find one, [00:37:25] a gentle dentist, they talk to each other and it runs in families somehow. You [00:37:30] know, the scare stories about dentists runs. So the word of mouth is gigantic. [00:37:35]

Agne Malisauskiene: Just look at the parents.

Agne Malisauskiene: That they bring kids to the dentist and they say the dentist will [00:37:40] not do anything to you. Of course they will. Like why? It’s not gonna hurt. [00:37:45] They’re not gonna know. You don’t say that. You say yes, they’re gonna have to [00:37:50] do something, but they will tell you what they’re doing. It’s not something. It’s not the punishment that, you know, [00:37:55] parents would make this as a punishment, bringing their own kids to [00:38:00] a dentist appointment. Or this is what I realised. I’ve done that to my kid as well. [00:38:05] Not with the dentist that I said, do you want to go to the hospital? And I was like, no, you [00:38:10] should never do this because it’s not a bad place. So I was like, policemen are good people [00:38:15] who are trying to help. If you need help, you seek for one. That’s fine. It’s, [00:38:20] you know, a doctor is someone who’s trying to help you. Nobody’s trying to hurt you, you know? So [00:38:25] I think that’s just.

Agne Malisauskiene: A mindset.

Payman Langroudi: Kind of a big change in culturally in [00:38:30] Lithuania. I’m sure that when you were a kid going to the dentist [00:38:35] was I remember in Iran, right? The dentist would shout at the kid straight away.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh [00:38:40] yeah.

Payman Langroudi: They would just to just to get compliance and they could be so scared. Um, and then you look at Lithuania [00:38:45] today where, I mean, I see the way you are with, with your kids, like in a totally different [00:38:50] situation.

Agne Malisauskiene: Paediatric dentists have like hats on their like, and then there’s cartoons [00:38:55] and things are going on. And my kids, they’re like the ones that are, they come [00:39:00] to me with a single tooth toothbrush and floss every [00:39:05] night. And I sit in the corridor and they lay back like [00:39:10] they’re like a patient and I floss, and I use this thing because they brush their teeth with the [00:39:15] toothbrush, which is nothing. Right? So then they come with single tooth toothbrush and floss. This [00:39:20] is my job. And, um, Manta says, my husband, he says, this is your [00:39:25] personal time with them.

Payman Langroudi: Uh.

Agne Malisauskiene: You know, they’re a minute [00:39:30] of, uh, of, of mommy and kid time and they love it. It’s just so weird [00:39:35] because they do like the clean mouth. They do like the, I don’t know, going to a dentist for [00:39:40] them. It’s a cool.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thing.

Payman Langroudi: I want to touch on two areas that I think are kind of related. Yeah, [00:39:45] you may disagree, but I want to get to. Okay. You can be, you can be a really hard working, studying [00:39:50] person. Yeah. But not have the ambition [00:39:55] side. Yeah. Like, I think I have plenty of friends top [00:40:00] of their class.

Agne Malisauskiene: I do two.

Payman Langroudi: Top, top of their class, but now like they’re [00:40:05] in an institution, you know, institutionalised.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Almost like [00:40:10] love school and almost love rules. But, you know, out there in the real world, [00:40:15] rules, people break rules. Yeah. And they’re almost like, can’t handle the fact that people break rules. So [00:40:20] they stay in universities and schools and institutions. So but you, [00:40:25] you’ve got this sort of ambition that you can’t ignore. I can’t ignore [00:40:30] when I think about, you know, your trajectory, the ambition is huge.

Agne Malisauskiene: It is.

Payman Langroudi: So I want [00:40:35] to know where that comes from. I want to know what it feels like to be that person, but also, [00:40:40] I think the reverse side of that coin is sacrifice.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh, [00:40:45] I don’t know. Well, first and foremost, about the ambition, um, [00:40:50] the idea for me was always, I [00:40:55] don’t play games that I cannot win. So if I play the game, I will do [00:41:00] everything competitive. I’m very competitive. Like I would go racing [00:41:05] in school. Um, running. Um, I [00:41:10] was probably not the fittest one, not the fastest one, but the adrenaline would go [00:41:15] up. Like I was the most determined and I would run the fastest [00:41:20] only because the adrenaline runs so high. I don’t [00:41:25] play poker. You know why? Because once, if I would learn how to.

Payman Langroudi: Play poker face.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, [00:41:30] it’s like I have, like, subtitles on my forehead. But then if I were to do that, [00:41:35] I would be into that, I’m sure.

Payman Langroudi: Oh I see, yeah. [00:41:40]

Agne Malisauskiene: So for me, everything is a little bit of a game.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I love it. [00:41:45] And I love competition. Anything in anything and everything from [00:41:50] the childhood. And there is a thing, and this is probably [00:41:55] comes from the background, trying to prove yourself to anyone and everyone. [00:42:00] Like.

Payman Langroudi: Are you the kind of person? If I say you’ll never achieve that, then you’re gonna [00:42:05] 1,000% achieve it.

Agne Malisauskiene: So this is what happened with that channel.

Agne Malisauskiene: At the end of the day, [00:42:10] this is what happened with dentistry. Um, because when I was in the US, I [00:42:15] had this private scholarship to go to Stanford to study economics [00:42:20] and Russian language. Wow. I’m pretty sure I would be in Siberia running some cigarette [00:42:25] business right now, but because there would be in that school, it’s it’s college prep. They would [00:42:30] come. Certain people, let’s just call them that. And they pick and choose and they [00:42:35] give you interviews and then they say, we can pay you if you go reach this great [00:42:40] SATs, SATs because you need some threshold. Right. And I did the perfect [00:42:45] score of all these exams. I never understood how I don’t have to pay what everybody else [00:42:50] pays for the exams. I never paid for any of these exams, so probably [00:42:55] somebody paid for that. I don’t know how that goes. Now, thinking about the American.

Payman Langroudi: They [00:43:00] were training you to be a spy.

Agne Malisauskiene: I’m pretty sure. Like there was something about that. And [00:43:05] so that idea was out there, you know, they’re kind of like, [00:43:10] I can go to a very fancy school, right? There’s like a dream come true. And [00:43:15] then I went back home and I went to 12th year and [00:43:20] in Lithuania and the final exam preparation is final two years, the first [00:43:25] year, which is 11th grade. What you do, you need to read all the books [00:43:30] because Lithuanian language exam is the main exam. Right. And for that main exam, [00:43:35] we had to write an interpretation or an essay. But you need to have a background of those books [00:43:40] because they give you an expert excerpt. And then you have to write down. Right. And I didn’t read any [00:43:45] of those books. So Lithuanian language teacher who was new at the school, she said, when I came in [00:43:50] to 12th grade that I made them let me go in, even though I didn’t do [00:43:55] any chemistry in 11th grade at all, because it did not fit my fancy [00:44:00] schedule in the school. But, um, so that Lithuanian language teacher, she [00:44:05] said, you will not graduate because you didn’t read books and you don’t have time anymore. And [00:44:10] I said, okay. And she said, if you fail, you will not [00:44:15] get into university. And I said, what is the hardest to get into? And she said, [00:44:20] dentistry. And I said, watch me. I got 100%. We get graded by the curve. [00:44:25] I got 100% from Lithuanian exam. I went in and I told her.

Payman Langroudi: So dentistry is the hardest thing to get into. Or [00:44:30] was.

Agne Malisauskiene: It was. Well, maybe.

Agne Malisauskiene: It still is.

Payman Langroudi: It’s become that way now when I when [00:44:35] I qualified, it wasn’t. But it’s become that way here. It’s much harder than medicine to get. Not much harder. It’s [00:44:40] harder than medicine.

Agne Malisauskiene: To get it.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s usually when, when somebody in medicine we say, you didn’t get into [00:44:45] dentistry.

Agne Malisauskiene: In my day, my day.

Payman Langroudi: Was the exact opposite. I’d say maybe half my year, [00:44:50] a quarter of my year, were people who couldn’t get into medicine.

Payman Langroudi: Think about [00:44:55] it. Just five.

Payman Langroudi: Years compared to ten.

Payman Langroudi: Years. Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: It’s just five.

Agne Malisauskiene: Years compared [00:45:00] to ten.

Payman Langroudi: Years. How were you.

Payman Langroudi: As a as a dental student? Like which student were you? The hardest working one in the [00:45:05] room. That guy. The party. The party animal?

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Payman Langroudi: Who were you?

Agne Malisauskiene: It [00:45:10] was.

Agne Malisauskiene: A small. It was 27 of us.

Agne Malisauskiene: In the year.

Agne Malisauskiene: That year. And [00:45:15] then we were divided into four women.

Payman Langroudi: Right. I noticed.

Agne Malisauskiene: Two boys.

Payman Langroudi: It’s [00:45:20] funny.

Agne Malisauskiene: We graduated with one. Uh, [00:45:25] whose dad was the head of the dental chamber.

Payman Langroudi: Okay.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:45:30] which which student were you? What kind of student were you? Did you find it easy?

Agne Malisauskiene: I mean, the practical [00:45:35] aspect. Things.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, really? Were you were you were you?

Agne Malisauskiene: I was the one organising things. I [00:45:40] was good at school, so I was not. I was not memorising things. I was not aiming [00:45:45] for the perfect ace because I really hoped for that. Like life. I wanted [00:45:50] like a college life. Never had that Dental students don’t really have that. But I had [00:45:55] amazing classmates and we. That group of. When [00:46:00] they divided us into that was we could choose our group. So, um, [00:46:05] I was, I don’t know, I was the organiser of things and I was the organiser [00:46:10] of events because we would have those events, right? The christenings and whatever things they [00:46:15] do that in universities. So I was organiser of things. Um I was the one [00:46:20] who was doing good, but we were the group that we would get the most practical work because [00:46:25] our teachers, the whole group, so the teachers would trust us and we would [00:46:30] get patients from residents. So we had a lot of hands on. We didn’t have to help each other work. So [00:46:35] we every, you know, the fifth year, for example, it was six hour hands [00:46:40] on work on patients every day. And, um, so [00:46:45] we get to do a lot of that.

Payman Langroudi: So my question about ambition [00:46:50] and the other side of it being sacrifice. Do you not feel like you’ve sacrificed anything in this journey? [00:46:55]

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s a.

Agne Malisauskiene: Priority. You have, you have. If somebody says, I sacrifice something [00:47:00] this, this and that, you’re trying to put the blame on somebody [00:47:05] else or on something.

Payman Langroudi: So I see how hard you guys work. Yeah, I was [00:47:10] there that weekend. You had another course going on. Um, you know, multiple hours. [00:47:15] Um, the sacrifice in that, you know.

Agne Malisauskiene: Is there is the kids.

Payman Langroudi: The kids [00:47:20] number one. I mean, it doesn’t have to be the kids. I know as a mother, you always have to be sort of programmed [00:47:25] to feel guilty about how little time you spend.

Agne Malisauskiene: Like men.

Payman Langroudi: Don’t have that.

Payman Langroudi: Guilt.

Agne Malisauskiene: My little one, [00:47:30] he translates very well. He was like, mommy, no, please don’t go. Don’t go anywhere. Can I go into your suitcase? [00:47:35]

Payman Langroudi: But but but so you accept sacrifice as.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, like a norm. [00:47:40]

Payman Langroudi: I think, you know, the interesting thing about it is I think about when doing [00:47:45] a product launch, you know, it things get so hairy, like this ministry of [00:47:50] sound thing that’s coming up now. Things, things get so much, by the way, you’re lecturing, amazing [00:47:55] things get so busy that even silly things. I mean, I missed my brother’s [00:48:00] birthday because I literally couldn’t, you know, I had to do whatever I had to do. Um, [00:48:05] as a business owner, you end up doing that. And then when you layer [00:48:10] in travel on top of that and you just got off a plane, [00:48:15] right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Even a short flight to, to Vilnius or from Vilnius to London is tiring. [00:48:20]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. It is.

Payman Langroudi: It’s tiring, you know, sitting around the airport, the dehydration. Though, and [00:48:25] so did the driver. The source of the flame driving you? [00:48:30] Is it like something to do with. You want to live up to your potential? Is [00:48:35] it a financial thing?

Agne Malisauskiene: I’m pretty.

Agne Malisauskiene: Sure I’m still trying to prove everybody. [00:48:40]

Agne Malisauskiene: Wrong. Really?

Agne Malisauskiene: Really it. It is like [00:48:45] that. Um. Yesterday my friend, um, sent me this reel on Instagram [00:48:50] and on the reel they’re talking to the female. The first female [00:48:55] to the astronauts. Now, who are going on to the moon, right. So [00:49:00] there’s an interview and they’re like, so if you can say just before your flight something, [00:49:05] uh, what would you say? And she said, mom, I’m [00:49:10] a good am I good enough now?

Agne Malisauskiene: And I was like, that’s [00:49:15] the thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: That’s the.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: Are you good enough? And you know, [00:49:20] I grew up in the you know, my husband always says that you have to understand the environment. [00:49:25] I’m like, yeah, but no, I grew up in that environment [00:49:30] that, you know, in Soviet times, at least at that time, the [00:49:35] kids were happening. Nobody knew how they were happening, but everybody had [00:49:40] kids and they had the kids very young age. And the kids were burdened [00:49:45] at the same time as the if you have a kid, you get more food stamps, [00:49:50] so you can go get more food. Like you would not not get like, I think meat [00:49:55] stamps unless you had a child. So that was a lot different. [00:50:00] So for all of the kids that are around my age or older, [00:50:05] we were raised, um, differently. So we were raised as [00:50:10] nobody would come up and say, oh darling, I love you. The first time I heard [00:50:15] I Love You from my mom. I think that was to my kid. It was to my kid when he was around [00:50:20] two.

Agne Malisauskiene: I was like.

Agne Malisauskiene: What.

Agne Malisauskiene: Happened?

Payman Langroudi: Do you overcompensate with your own kids now? Like, tell them you love them too [00:50:25] many times.

Agne Malisauskiene: So.

Agne Malisauskiene: They are already numb in.

Agne Malisauskiene: That [00:50:30] kind of.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thing. But it’s very strange. You know, [00:50:35] it’s just it is what it is. That was different times, right?

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And [00:50:40] um.

Payman Langroudi: But in those sort of pre Berlin Wall days in the [00:50:45] Soviet times, what was the sort of community situation. Did you I [00:50:50] mean were, but most kids, both parents working and then the kids kind [00:50:55] of being looked after in a, in a, in a, in a situation together.

Agne Malisauskiene: I [00:51:00] was.

Agne Malisauskiene: I was raised like, so first and foremost, um, I was two at [00:51:05] the time we got our independence.

Agne Malisauskiene: And Berlin, etc. so I.

Agne Malisauskiene: Don’t really remember. [00:51:10] I know the stories. Um, I was raised in, uh, student [00:51:15] dormitory till I was nine, so there was like a student family dormitories [00:51:20] that there’s like a corridor, right? Everybody got a room that they. And [00:51:25] it was, they call it privatised. They still had to buy something like a room [00:51:30] in there. But I was raised in that all the parents were, let’s [00:51:35] just say when I was five, all the parents were around 25 [00:51:40] and all the kids were around five. So there’s a corridor party. [00:51:45] All the kids are in one room sleeping on the chairs or somewhere like that if [00:51:50] the parents are working. I was told that they would kind of exchange [00:51:55] between each other, but at a certain time I would be alone [00:52:00] for like an hour or so when I was a baby. Or it’s very interesting. I do not [00:52:05] remember those times because, um, my sister was born when I was five. And [00:52:10] that time I remember because mom was at home because it was completely different system. Then they could stay [00:52:15] with kids and so on. But you could go out outside, play [00:52:20] with your friends for like a half of the day.

Agne Malisauskiene: And no one would know anything.

Payman Langroudi: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And then [00:52:25] they would just yell.

Agne Malisauskiene: Somebody or something.

Payman Langroudi: Right. Also a beautiful thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: That was fine.

Agne Malisauskiene: And it was [00:52:30] safe somehow. Now it doesn’t.

Agne Malisauskiene: Seem like that.

Payman Langroudi: So then your your kids.

Payman Langroudi: Now what happens when [00:52:35] you’re away? Nannies and all that.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, my mom mostly, um, [00:52:40] she’s with kids. She loves them. They’re more like caring. [00:52:45] They’re the ones that would hug and then they would sit on the lap because they’re like, they’re raised by us. [00:52:50] They’re cuties. And, and then and she likes to be [00:52:55] around them. So she’s mostly there. Then my mom as well, my sister, [00:53:00] we, we’ve.

Agne Malisauskiene: Left two kids.

Agne Malisauskiene: Sister. And then we have [00:53:05] a nanny who lives two houses away. So she would come in whenever we need her. [00:53:10]

Payman Langroudi: So tell me a typical week, a typical week where you’re teaching abroad.

Payman Langroudi: Okay, so.

Payman Langroudi: What are we.

Payman Langroudi: Talking? [00:53:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s always the same. Every week is the same for me.

Payman Langroudi: Okay.

Agne Malisauskiene: Well, except for sometimes I don’t [00:53:20] fly. So it’s Monday. Tuesday? Wednesday. I go to the clinic. Um. I drive the older one [00:53:25] to school. I go to the clinic. Um.

Payman Langroudi: Is it your own?

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Payman Langroudi: No. [00:53:30]

Payman Langroudi: Your associate.

Agne Malisauskiene: Rent? No, I rent a room.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, you rent a room?

Agne Malisauskiene: I rent a room. It’s easier.

Payman Langroudi: Is that with [00:53:35] us?

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: Mindaugas has has his own.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, yes.

Payman Langroudi: Okay.

Agne Malisauskiene: He didn’t want me there. [00:53:40] He said we spend too much time together. He said we probably like. We [00:53:45] would not be friends anymore.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I said no. He’s like, what if the autoclave breaks?

Agne Malisauskiene: And [00:53:50] I’m like, no.

Payman Langroudi: So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday you’re working. What? Long hours?

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: I work nine [00:53:55] to 3 to 4, something like that.

Payman Langroudi: And then and the kind and the patients [00:54:00] are all what. Referred.

Agne Malisauskiene: Mhm. Or dentists.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, really? Really.

Agne Malisauskiene: Half [00:54:05] of my patients are dentists.

Payman Langroudi: So you’re basically doing anterior direct on everyone.

Agne Malisauskiene: That’s the only thing I do. I have [00:54:10] a hygienist, um, and an assistant. So hygienist is the one who does [00:54:15] hygienes whitening and stuff like that. And I have an assistant who runs the whole [00:54:20] operation.

Payman Langroudi: And the referral base are all these people who’ve come to your courses basically.

Payman Langroudi: Right.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, [00:54:25] so they’re either. No not really. It’s um, people who come to my courses, I encourage [00:54:30] them to do and practice themselves. I get patients from orthodontists [00:54:35] mainly.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, okay. Post author.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: So post ortho most of the time. [00:54:40] And then the and I would like handle the patient and he would do the posteriors. I would do [00:54:45] the interior, something like that. Um so.

Agne Malisauskiene: So that’s.

Payman Langroudi: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

Agne Malisauskiene: Monday.

Agne Malisauskiene: Tuesday, Wednesday, [00:54:50] uh, on Tuesdays after work, I go to work out. On [00:54:55] Wednesdays I go to play paddle.

Payman Langroudi: Uh.

Agne Malisauskiene: Something I suck at, but I’m trying [00:55:00] to get better.

Agne Malisauskiene: You know?

Payman Langroudi: What time do you go to bed? What time do you wake up?

Agne Malisauskiene: We go to bed [00:55:05] around midnight and we wake up 650. But [00:55:10] the thing is that it’s been eight years, eight and a half years since [00:55:15] I have slept through the night. Like for the past eight years, I think I’ve slept through the night [00:55:20] maybe 20 times.

Payman Langroudi: Why?

Agne Malisauskiene: Because they wake up [00:55:25] these boys. They either come in first up till the age of like [00:55:30] four. The older one, up to the age of four, he would scream, Mama! Mama! [00:55:35] Like 2 or 3 times a night, right? So wake up, walk to his room. Go to the [00:55:40] room.

Payman Langroudi: You forget. You forget all of this as you get. As kids get older, you forget.

Agne Malisauskiene: Then [00:55:45] we got a baby.

Payman Langroudi: So that was that.

Agne Malisauskiene: He still. He’s four and a half. [00:55:50]

Payman Langroudi: He still.

Payman Langroudi: So he’s still in that phase?

Agne Malisauskiene: I don’t know if there are nights that nothing [00:55:55] would happen. And then the older one started coming into the room, into the bed. And I [00:56:00] don’t remember what it feels.

Agne Malisauskiene: Like to sleep.

Agne Malisauskiene: And even if they’re not there, I would wake [00:56:05] up and be like.

Payman Langroudi: Alert. Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Especially in the hotels. I don’t sleep well. [00:56:10]

Payman Langroudi: It’s difficult. So so that’s Monday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thursday. So [00:56:15] I either fly or I have a course at home.

Payman Langroudi: So [00:56:20] let’s imagine it’s Copenhagen for the sake of the argument. You you don’t work at [00:56:25] all on a Thursday.

Agne Malisauskiene: No, never.

Agne Malisauskiene: You don’t rent a room. I rent a room Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. [00:56:30]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, yeah. So?

Payman Langroudi: So you get to Copenhagen and then you’re teaching Friday, Saturday.

Agne Malisauskiene: Friday.

Agne Malisauskiene: Saturday. Copenhagen [00:56:35] is a place I like because on Saturday I can go back home [00:56:40] after the course.

Agne Malisauskiene: There’s a.

Payman Langroudi: It’s close enough and all.

Agne Malisauskiene: That.

Agne Malisauskiene: There’s a flight. It used [00:56:45] to be 920, now it’s 1055. But then I can be home at two in the morning [00:56:50] or something like that.

Payman Langroudi: Let’s go with you on these trips. No, no, he’s.

Agne Malisauskiene: He.

Agne Malisauskiene: Comes he comes to some [00:56:55] places that he wants to go to. Sometimes we take kids as well. So [00:57:00] um, so then I can spend with them Sundays at home. [00:57:05] There are places that I cannot fly home. So sometimes I’m home, like Sunday [00:57:10] afternoon, and then it’s Monday again. And on the days that I don’t fly [00:57:15] anywhere, which we try to be this, we want this to be that. [00:57:20] I would fly once a month.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm.

Agne Malisauskiene: Now I fly 2 or 3 times and we [00:57:25] always plan on slowing down, but we’ll see.

Payman Langroudi: It’s when it’s two weekends in a row, isn’t it? That’s [00:57:30] when it hurts the most.

Agne Malisauskiene: It is. It’s gonna happen like that now.

Payman Langroudi: Victim [00:57:35] of your own success, right?

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s going to be three weekends [00:57:40] in a row now.

Agne Malisauskiene: And it is.

Payman Langroudi: Your own course. It’s the one and the two, and the three is [00:57:45] what you’re teaching when you go to these places.

Agne Malisauskiene: The one and the two. Yeah, the one and the two. I go and [00:57:50] I teach that, and on top of it, because we make a schedule for hands on quite [00:57:55] in advance, right? So we have that quite in advance. We have these spots that [00:58:00] is going to be Paris. It’s going to be March. Um there’s going to be something else. It’s going to be [00:58:05] I don’t know, Barcelona is October, so we have these places. Then we [00:58:10] schedule that quite in advance. But then there’s going to be situations or invites [00:58:15] or things that I’m going to do in between of that.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Like some massive [00:58:20] event in America, like you were saying.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Or a minimalist, you know.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah, yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: So [00:58:25] these get right in between. And [00:58:30] then if I don’t have any abroad courses, then it would be Thursday [00:58:35] only or Thursday, Friday hands on at home. So then I would have a weekend off.

Payman Langroudi: What about the setup for [00:58:40] instance. You’ve got this event tomorrow.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. We’re bringing up most of it.

Payman Langroudi: The drills.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh, [00:58:45] no. So, um, if the event in Lithuania, we have um [00:58:50] a total of I think 40 micro motors and, and, and [00:58:55] hand pieces and things like that. Um, in these places. [00:59:00] Micromotors. Um, handpieces curing [00:59:05] units come from the sponsors, so they would bring something [00:59:10] um in there. What we bring I break instrument kits. I bring, [00:59:15] uh, I don’t know, phantom heads.

Payman Langroudi: Are you.

Payman Langroudi: Bring phantom.

Payman Langroudi: Heads.

Agne Malisauskiene: I bring I have travel, [00:59:20] travel, phantom heads. Uh, so I have a travel phantom heads. I have so phantom [00:59:25] heads models. It’s it’s 40 kilos of stuff always travelling. [00:59:30]

Payman Langroudi: So where is that stuff that you send that ahead of time?

Payman Langroudi: Did you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Not hear? You can’t listen [00:59:35] here easily if it’s in the suitcases too.

Payman Langroudi: It’s in the suitcases. Everything [00:59:40] you need is in those suitcases.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s well.

Agne Malisauskiene: Packed. And if uh, if that’s. [00:59:45]

Payman Langroudi: And.

Payman Langroudi: You’re going to set up tomorrow morning. Is that the.

Agne Malisauskiene: Plan? No.

Agne Malisauskiene: In the evening.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh.

Agne Malisauskiene: We’re alive. Well, at least we try [00:59:50] to get the place.

Payman Langroudi: And you do it yourself.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, yeah. So now I have. I [00:59:55] learned from you. Now I have help. Uh, Michela Jarosova. [01:00:00] She’s from Czech Republic. We met on Instagram. [01:00:05] Then we met live. Um, she says that we met through Didier.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm. [01:00:10] And, um. Oh.

Payman Langroudi: So she comes to some of these to help out.

Agne Malisauskiene: She comes to help [01:00:15] out. She teaches as well. Um, we have together two articles [01:00:20] coming out like now in the International Journal of Aesthetic Dentistry. [01:00:25] Um, she’s a good help and [01:00:30] um, it’s nice. It’s, it’s good to have her.

Payman Langroudi: So then, I mean, I know how tiring [01:00:35] it is. I’m not even the teacher on these courses, but so you set [01:00:40] up next day, now 830 in the morning, people are coming. You teach all day.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. [01:00:45]

Payman Langroudi: Do you always do a social.

Agne Malisauskiene: A little bit of. Yes.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s a good [01:00:50] idea.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s nicer because then.

Agne Malisauskiene: Everybody’s more outside.

Payman Langroudi: Of the classroom.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. And then they’re.

Agne Malisauskiene: More loose the next [01:00:55] day.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because the next day is usually harder.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And so [01:01:00] they’re more loose. It’s more of a like I call this a workshop environment. [01:01:05] I make them walk around meaning that, um, if they need any extra [01:01:10] stuff, I make them stand up, go take it and go back because otherwise they get frozen [01:01:15] and, and you know, in place and in the shrimp position or something like that.

Payman Langroudi: And [01:01:20] so then at the end of the two days, you’re destroyed, right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, [01:01:25] I don’t know.

Agne Malisauskiene: I think I’m, I’m feeding on their energy.

Agne Malisauskiene: Not destroyed. [01:01:30]

Agne Malisauskiene: You know, what they’re saying is like less energy. They have more energy. I have I [01:01:35] become more loud.

Payman Langroudi: See, that’s the adrenaline again.

Agne Malisauskiene: But I remember [01:01:40] there was a thing that was, um. I was in Copenhagen at the airport after [01:01:45] the after those two days, I come back and I sit there and wait. [01:01:50] And it’s like that silence, you know, when the, the, the, the cortisol goes up [01:01:55] and then everything drops the dopamine dips. And I was just [01:02:00] sitting there and I needed like, you need that dopamine back somehow. And [01:02:05] I’m like, oh, there’s Bang Olufsen, let me go in and I bought a speaker. So, so then my [01:02:10] husband was like, oh, this is why they have these shops because people are tired after. And then [01:02:15] they’re just going to need that. But it is like that. It’s very, um, kind [01:02:20] of a when it’s not, I’m not tired with people when I’m left alone. [01:02:25] This is that the moment that you’re like, oh.

Payman Langroudi: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh. [01:02:30]

Agne Malisauskiene: So that’s.

Agne Malisauskiene: The strangest.

Agne Malisauskiene: One.

Payman Langroudi: And I kind of want to get insight into [01:02:35] by emulation. I mean, I was there at the beginning with the not, [01:02:40] not that I had anything to do with it, but I was watching, I was, I was watching Panos and, and [01:02:45] the guys right at the beginning. Gianfranco, um, how did [01:02:50] you end up getting involved with them?

Agne Malisauskiene: Um.

Payman Langroudi: But [01:02:55] actually, for someone who doesn’t know, just just quickly sum up what what is bio emulation?

Agne Malisauskiene: Bio Malaysian [01:03:00] is the group of dentists dedicated to minimally invasive biomimetic [01:03:05] dentistry. Um.

Payman Langroudi: The kind of very highest end.

Agne Malisauskiene: They [01:03:10] push, they push.

Agne Malisauskiene: The boundaries, push.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is the idea. And, [01:03:15] um, I think that was one event that we were not organising. That was the main [01:03:20] thing. Um, and druskininkai we have this like largest event of [01:03:25] the dental chamber and Javier was there and Mindaugas was there and we [01:03:30] were at the party, I think, and Javi said, would you accept [01:03:35] this if we were to invite you?

Payman Langroudi: Well, it’s nice out of the blue.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. And then [01:03:40] I said yes. And I said, let me think about it. I was like, what? What [01:03:45] man? Uh, but he does that. He’s more like, I’m irrational. I’m [01:03:50] like, this is the moment. It’s okay. And he’s like, let me, let me see. And [01:03:55] I was like, what are you saying? And then by Malaysia, in London, I [01:04:00] came and.

Agne Malisauskiene: It was fun.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I think that do you remember? [01:04:05] You don’t. Oh my God. So we’re standing there talking. Panos goes by. [01:04:10] He says something. And you say, have you met Agnes? [01:04:15] And he says, yes. And he says something like, oh, you’re [01:04:20] doing a lot of stuff in Scandinavia. I follow you, I see. And you’re like, just [01:04:25] put a badge on her. And he’s.

Agne Malisauskiene: Like.

Agne Malisauskiene: We’ll see tomorrow. And he walks [01:04:30] back and I was like, and you were like, just chatting. And I was like, what [01:04:35] does it mean?

Agne Malisauskiene: We’ll see tomorrow.

Payman Langroudi: I like there’s something about him, man.

Agne Malisauskiene: And then this is what they [01:04:40] then this is what they did during the break. They said, and then they invited on the stage. It was like Oscars. [01:04:45] I was like, because they didn’t tell you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, it was.

Payman Langroudi: A.

Payman Langroudi: Surprise.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. They didn’t tell me. I didn’t know that. [01:04:50]

Payman Langroudi: Oh.

Agne Malisauskiene: And it was a surprise.

Payman Langroudi: I love you know what I love about Malaysian events? [01:04:55] That audio visual.

Payman Langroudi: Oh my.

Payman Langroudi: God. I mean, you’ve been you’ve been to so many events. Now where’s [01:05:00] the best place that you’ve seen?

Agne Malisauskiene: It is. It’s everywhere where heavier is.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. [01:05:05] I guess because.

Agne Malisauskiene: Javier is um, you know, he’s computer graphic artist. Yes. And [01:05:10] he’s one of the best. Right.

Payman Langroudi: Very good.

Agne Malisauskiene: And what he does, it’s. Now [01:05:15] did you see how he does the lecture with the 3D glasses now. So you can have a [01:05:20] lecture of his. You need the proper audio visual for that. Right. But he they distribute [01:05:25] distribute um 3D glasses and you can see the animations of the dentinal [01:05:30] tubules already.

Payman Langroudi: Beautiful isn’t it. Once it’s in 3D.

Payman Langroudi: Imagine Javier.

Agne Malisauskiene: Is [01:05:35] incredible. Everything is so authentic. He’s not the one who would go and [01:05:40] steal other stuff. He gets copied quite a bit. But you know, it’s [01:05:45] so flattering. I don’t know it just because he’s so good Yes. What he does, [01:05:50] he’s very passionate and he’s like, he’s very geeky kind of a person. And you just ask [01:05:55] him. And then Pandora’s box opens.

Payman Langroudi: Is there a commitment as well? Do you have to do anything? [01:06:00]

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Payman Langroudi: That’s good.

Agne Malisauskiene: Just give you a badge.

Payman Langroudi: Just a brotherhood. Sisterhood.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: I [01:06:05] remember when it was just men back in the day.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s still quite predominantly [01:06:10] men.

Payman Langroudi: Why do you think that is? Like, I was looking at the speakers for the minimalist [01:06:15] at Ministry of Sound. Um, and I didn’t [01:06:20] do it on purpose. I didn’t do it on purpose at all. I didn’t I didn’t think men, women anything. Yeah. But [01:06:25] it’s double it’s double the number of men than it is women.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s always.

Payman Langroudi: Like that. Why?

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, [01:06:30] because of society still and everything. [01:06:35] The idea is just think about it. Right? So now when I’m the one leaving and going [01:06:40] somewhere and mantis is taking care of kids, do you know what everybody thinks? Including [01:06:45] my mom, His mom or.

Agne Malisauskiene: Friends.

Agne Malisauskiene: Everybody [01:06:50] are like, man, what’s going on? [01:06:55] You know, he’s the one who is man.

Payman Langroudi: This is amazing, man.

Payman Langroudi: Cooking and [01:07:00] keeping us nourished.

Agne Malisauskiene: And and he works. We go to sleep. He [01:07:05] still works.

Payman Langroudi: He’s still amazing, man.

Agne Malisauskiene: He is very dedicated. You know, if I didn’t [01:07:10] find him when I was 16.

Payman Langroudi: Was it 16 high school.

Agne Malisauskiene: I met. [01:07:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: Him when.

Payman Langroudi: He came back.

Agne Malisauskiene: Just before I.

Payman Langroudi: Left. Oh, really?

Agne Malisauskiene: So I met him just before I left for [01:07:20] the US. Uh, he would have been, you know, somebody else’s catch.

Agne Malisauskiene: But. [01:07:25]

Payman Langroudi: Okay. I hear what you say about your.

Agne Malisauskiene: You know, it’s [01:07:30] just expected.

Payman Langroudi: But I think there’s there’s something else as well. Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: That there’s also the lack [01:07:35] of ambition. Everybody waits to be inspired. Be an inspiration yourself. That’s [01:07:40] a thing from women.

Agne Malisauskiene: They’re very.

Payman Langroudi: But also lack of speaking up, you know, like, [01:07:45] like I think about it with with staff sometimes, you know, there are some staff who never, ever, ever asked [01:07:50] for a pay rise. Yeah. And then there’s others who always, always, always ask for a pay rise. Yeah. And guess [01:07:55] what.

Payman Langroudi: You don’t get.

Agne Malisauskiene: What you don’t.

Agne Malisauskiene: Ask for. That’s the thing. Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: But but but women [01:08:00] don’t put themselves forward as much.

Agne Malisauskiene: As.

Agne Malisauskiene: They wait for an invitation.

Agne Malisauskiene: To do [01:08:05] something.

Agne Malisauskiene: They wait for an invitation. That’s the thing. This is. This is true. They wait for an invitation. Um, [01:08:10] nobody’s gonna invite you to anything. Um, if you want to. Do I get these [01:08:15] questions all the time? How can I do more anterior composites? Just go tell your boss [01:08:20] and your colleagues that you want to do anterior composites. They’re like, no, what will happen? What [01:08:25] happened when I did that? Do you know that was like, I don’t know, it was eight, eight years [01:08:30] ago that I came into the practice and I said, let’s have a meeting. We need a [01:08:35] team meeting and so on. And these were quite regular. So we had a team meeting and I said, [01:08:40] I decided that’s the only thing I’m going to do is going to be anterior composites. I will not do [01:08:45] anything else. And I expected this to be like, no. But [01:08:50] then my colleague, she was like, yes. Can I do only posterior composites? I don’t do [01:08:55] anything else. And then suddenly everything became so specialised.

Payman Langroudi: It’s actually a brilliant [01:09:00] way of running a practice.

Agne Malisauskiene: And that everything.

Agne Malisauskiene: Became specialised.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Everybody got so excited.

Agne Malisauskiene: And [01:09:05] everybody doing.

Payman Langroudi: The stuff they love doing. There’s internal referral. It’s a beautiful thing really. [01:09:10]

Agne Malisauskiene: And then you’re doomed to get good because you’re doing the same thing over and over and over. Oh, because [01:09:15] you’re repeating yourself. You get to see patterns and everything [01:09:20] goes in patterns. Dentistry is very mathematical, very engineer like, [01:09:25] right? So you, if you take apart the computer the first time you, you’re going to put [01:09:30] it back, you’re gonna have like five things on the desk, right? You [01:09:35] didn’t know where to put that. If you’re going to do that the second time, you’re just [01:09:40] gonna get better and better and better.

Payman Langroudi: Something tells me, though, that you’re very, very strong on the pattern [01:09:45] recognition.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Bone in your brain. There’s [01:09:50] some people are like that. Some people are strong on one thing. Some people are strong on another thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: I always say that.

Agne Malisauskiene: In dentistry. [01:09:55]

Payman Langroudi: That talking to you like you’re really into this notion of pattern, pattern recognition.

Agne Malisauskiene: It.

Agne Malisauskiene: It [01:10:00] is like this. I call this connect the dots.

Payman Langroudi: Okay.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is the idea that, you know, [01:10:05] I think that was Mindaugas idea actually. Connect the dots. This is his we were going to a course [01:10:10] in Denmark and we had to name it somehow. And I said [01:10:15] we need like a catchy phrase, right? We need a catchy phrase that will represent [01:10:20] the way we do dentistry. And we were like talking just like this, [01:10:25] this, this, this thing was going on. And he’s like, I think his kids were like painting [01:10:30] by the door thing. They’re drawing by the door thing. And he said, no, it’s connect the dots because this is what we [01:10:35] look at the tooth, we see what’s missing and we just add that on and we connect it. So this is [01:10:40] the thing now. It says every lecture of mine has the connect the dots thing. And it was [01:10:45] his idea actually. So now it’s connect the dots as patterns. Everything goes in patterns. Um [01:10:50] if you have a patient that’s always chipping, it’s, it’s not the compass, [01:10:55] it’s probably you.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah, yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: You, you need to understand function [01:11:00] many more things, right? But then everything comes in patterns and um.

Payman Langroudi: What [01:11:05] was the unlock for you regarding, I mean, it’s a very different thing being a very good dentist [01:11:10] and being a very good teacher.

Agne Malisauskiene: It is completely.

Payman Langroudi: What does it unlock for you in the teaching space? [01:11:15] Because when I watched you teach, I mean, it was I, it was in Lithuania, but I could just [01:11:20] see your passion in the what, what was the moment or the, the, the kind of the [01:11:25] skill or the, I don’t know, understanding of what it is to be a good teacher, a [01:11:30] great teacher. What’s the difference in a great teacher and a good teacher? That’s that. There we go.

Agne Malisauskiene: You need to convey [01:11:35] the message so everybody understands meaning I always say [01:11:40] that, you know, any course is valuable. Any, any course that you [01:11:45] go on to is valuable as long as you’re valuable in that course. [01:11:50] If you stay put, if you listen, if you’re good, right? The [01:11:55] new information that you’re going to hear, maybe it’s going to be 5%, maybe 1%, [01:12:00] and you need to spend that time to find that information yourself, right? [01:12:05] If you come in and everything is new for me, for you, or like [01:12:10] 80% is new for you, either you’re not qualified to get to that course or somebody [01:12:15] is talking nonsense because there may be there, there are plenty of, um, you know, Dental [01:12:20] educators and educators who cannot do the work themselves. They [01:12:25] can be very good teachers at the same time, because they have this idea in their head, but somehow [01:12:30] doesn’t translate it into their hands, or maybe one thing or they’re just full [01:12:35] of shit.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah, there is that. But I think, you know, there’s an element of inspiration. [01:12:40] It’s a funny thing. Yeah. Because I think I think of teaching [01:12:45] dentistry anyway as breadth and depth.

Agne Malisauskiene: Mhm.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah. And [01:12:50] it’s a funny situation, you know, like I’m telling you at the minimalist, you can have 17 minutes [01:12:55] to talk. Right. There’s not much time. You can’t go very deep on it. But [01:13:00] but some people can inspire the audience to pay attention [01:13:05] and listen. And some people can’t. And some people are masters at it. [01:13:10] And some people are, to your point, some people are. That’s their absolute skill. Yeah. [01:13:15] And you know, what they say might be rubbish, but they’ve just they’re just showmen, you know. They know [01:13:20] how to, you know, command an audience.

Agne Malisauskiene: Of course.

Payman Langroudi: Um but, but it’s [01:13:25] a, it’s a certain kind of skill where you have to mix depth, breadth, inspiration, [01:13:30] practicality, you know, inspiration, practicality on two different levels. You know, sometimes [01:13:35] you get to buy a Malaysian. You look at what the guy has done or what he’s saying. Anything that has nothing to do with what I’m going [01:13:40] to do on Monday morning. Right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Why not?

Payman Langroudi: I remember Gianfranco talking about this layer he was [01:13:45] putting in. That was the a d j layer.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh dear God.

Payman Langroudi: Like you had the dentyne. [01:13:50] You had the enamel. But there was this other layer of, of basically see through composite that he was putting. [01:13:55] That was the a DJI looked at it, I was like, come on, man.

Agne Malisauskiene: But [01:14:00] but this is true. They’re pushing the boundaries.

Payman Langroudi: That’s their role. But this is what I’m saying about in [01:14:05] teaching, you have to mix all of those. You have to inspire people. You have to be practical.

Agne Malisauskiene: You have to inspire and [01:14:10] be practical.

Agne Malisauskiene: For me, it’s empower.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm.

Agne Malisauskiene: Okay. So you have to give them [01:14:15] tools in the ideas. And what I say the best thing is to teach [01:14:20] how to use their eyes so the brain would [01:14:25] comprehend what the hands have to do.

Payman Langroudi: Mhm.

Agne Malisauskiene: And this is the hardest [01:14:30] thing, right? You can show them the most beautiful pictures you [01:14:35] can Photoshop to whatever you want. Copy paste, whatever thing.

Payman Langroudi: But [01:14:40] there’s plenty of that, by the way. Plenty of photoshopping.

Agne Malisauskiene: Going on.

Payman Langroudi: In our [01:14:45] world there, isn’t it?

Agne Malisauskiene: There’s a lot of fake things, but, [01:14:50] you know. Uh, anyways, but what you need to [01:14:55] teach them is how to see that we’re like, [01:15:00] what I teach in my courses is where to look from direction [01:15:05] of you sometimes matters much more direction [01:15:10] of you because we’re used to our patients on our laps, right? If we’re very [01:15:15] ergonomic, what do we see? We see nothing. We don’t see something. We see opposite [01:15:20] view first and foremost, and then we don’t see the three dimensional [01:15:25] view of the tooth. We lose everything when the tooth dehydrates.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And [01:15:30] we lose the all perception of volume. Then we have our loop lights and [01:15:35] then their orange filters, and then we lose all the possible depth. [01:15:40] So the volume control gets impossible unless I [01:15:45] show them what to look for and where, what side to look from. How, how [01:15:50] what I see. And then recently what I started. So I finished the Instagram post on the plane. [01:15:55] I’m quite efficient. So I try to, you know, spend time doing things. Um, [01:16:00] I started recording everything. I have a loop camera. [01:16:05] It’s not fantastic. It’s as good as it gets at this point. But I have a loop camera. I [01:16:10] record everything that means I will give them the actual view [01:16:15] that I’m seeing, right? Not random camera facing the facial view. [01:16:20]

Agne Malisauskiene: Very good point. It’s a.

Payman Langroudi: Very good.

Agne Malisauskiene: Point, isn’t it?

Agne Malisauskiene: Because it’s very important.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is super.

Agne Malisauskiene: Important. So [01:16:25] everybody would understand what I see and why I see it? And then once I have [01:16:30] these shadows, right, the dense shadowing, they’re usually sitting next to me. And then [01:16:35] they kind of like cure and everything else. There’s also now a computer open [01:16:40] that they can see what I’m seeing through my loops. They have a little bit bigger view because [01:16:45] my loops are six and there’s like three and a half or something like that, but they still see the [01:16:50] idea of it, like what I’m seeing because from their perspective, [01:16:55] it’s also a different thing.

Payman Langroudi: You know, that thing where he takes the picture of [01:17:00] the contralateral, he flips.

Agne Malisauskiene: It. Yeah, yeah, I.

Agne Malisauskiene: Do that.

Agne Malisauskiene: As well.

Payman Langroudi: And the [01:17:05] flipping, I used to think, you know, come on, man, how difficult can it be? But it’s absolutely true. Yeah. That’s an [01:17:10] extra step your brain doesn’t have to do now. Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And then.

Agne Malisauskiene: You can focus on and I increase the. [01:17:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: The, I increase.

Agne Malisauskiene: The contrast.

Agne Malisauskiene: The chroma everything.

Agne Malisauskiene: And I can mimic that much better.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah. [01:17:20] And so it’s so interesting. It’s so interesting. The first time I saw his work, I thought he’s [01:17:25] a genius. Yeah. I called up the guys in America. I said, I found this child genius. It’s amazing.

Agne Malisauskiene: Then [01:17:30] I know.

Agne Malisauskiene: The guy in America.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. That’s right. That’s right.

Payman Langroudi: But then. But [01:17:35] then when later on I found out that is what he was doing here. It [01:17:40] makes it like no one is a bloody genius.

Payman Langroudi: Dear God.

Payman Langroudi: It’s like you said, it’s repetition. [01:17:45] It’s pattern recognition.

Agne Malisauskiene: Dentistry is easy, right? [01:17:50]

Agne Malisauskiene: We we will still make mistakes, whatever we do. Right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: The [01:17:55] idea is dentistry is actually easy, if you really think about it. If you [01:18:00] put the brain into it, dentistry is easy. It’s we’re copying something. And [01:18:05] if we make our life easier, not harder, we’re gonna get there faster. [01:18:10]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: And it’s just that that’s the thing, I guess.

Payman Langroudi: You know what annoys me sometimes? [01:18:15] Yeah. It’s the culture of hacking. Like [01:18:20] cutting, cutting corners.

Agne Malisauskiene: All the great inventions Are here [01:18:25] only because someone was too lazy to do a difficult job.

Payman Langroudi: No, but it pisses me off a little bit. [01:18:30]

Payman Langroudi: Pisses me off that it’s almost a culture of amongst dentists, of how do [01:18:35] I miss steps? You know, they want to do things quicker and they want to learn [01:18:40] hacks. By the way, hacks are great. It’s a it’s a great thing to have a hack. But sometimes [01:18:45] and I have people sit in front of me, absolute experts in their field like you are. Yeah. Sometimes [01:18:50] the key to being an expert is just not hacking, but doing the goddamn steps, [01:18:55] doing every step correctly, you know, is what makes an [01:19:00] expert. You know.

Agne Malisauskiene: This is true, but, um, just give them [01:19:05] tools to do that. But tools, I mean, just maybe looking from different angle. Yeah, [01:19:10] yeah. Seeing from a different perspective, actually taking picture of your own work.

Agne Malisauskiene: Mhm. [01:19:15] To see what you did.

Payman Langroudi: Learn the most.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh my God. Yes. The best investment you [01:19:20] can have is just buying a good camera and a good lens, obviously. [01:19:25]

Payman Langroudi: Where did you learn photography?

Agne Malisauskiene: I did take like these online courses [01:19:30] of like pop a pop up I [01:19:35] did, and then everything else went through kind of a practice. I’m [01:19:40] still not really an expert because I know how to do my own photography [01:19:45] that, you know, somebody told me that I know how to show [01:19:50] what I’m showing, right? How to make a picture of something that [01:19:55] I want to show. So this is this, this is a thing. But then if you told me [01:20:00] to take a picture of a molar, I don’t know, I try I cannot work.

Agne Malisauskiene: With what you do. [01:20:05]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah. It’s just again, it’s practice.

Payman Langroudi: What comes to mind if I ask you [01:20:10] what’s the best lecture you’ve been to?

Agne Malisauskiene: Everybody [01:20:15] is very good. Obviously you have to attend every and every one. But then Didier [01:20:20] the second time. Because the first time. First time I was too [01:20:25] young and too cocky and too everything to actually pay attention. And [01:20:30] I did pay attention, I assume. But I was jet lagged like crazy because [01:20:35] I hacked him down. Well, my my friend traced him down. We went [01:20:40] to his, uh, three day course in Singapore.

Payman Langroudi: Oh.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because it was much cheaper [01:20:45] than in Geneva.

Payman Langroudi: Including the flight was.

Agne Malisauskiene: Cheaper, including.

Agne Malisauskiene: The.

Agne Malisauskiene: Flight.

Agne Malisauskiene: And [01:20:50] hotels and food.

Agne Malisauskiene: And everything.

Payman Langroudi: What a hack.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because in the room, they didn’t have [01:20:55] the 16 people. They had 40 something.

Payman Langroudi: Uh.

Agne Malisauskiene: But [01:21:00] the first time I think I got quite a bit, but the second time [01:21:05] when I got her my home, I was sitting there, I was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my [01:21:10] God, oh my God, oh my God.

Agne Malisauskiene: And like.

Payman Langroudi: You know, repetition is huge, right? Repetition is huge. Even if it wasn’t [01:21:15] the same course. Like your mindset is different that the I still learn know that many smile makeover. I still [01:21:20] learn the. And I must have seen it a hundred times.

Agne Malisauskiene: But the thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: Is that we all of us. Um, [01:21:25] when when the teachers, the educators, we add on something.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because [01:21:30] we, if we, if we.

Agne Malisauskiene: Actually practice dentistry, right?

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: If [01:21:35] we practice dentistry. And I stress that if we practice dentistry, then we have what to [01:21:40] bring to the table every single time. And this is the thing, if you did a course three years ago, [01:21:45] it might be smart. If you liked it, that means you’re gonna like it way more now.

Agne Malisauskiene: Mhm. [01:21:50]

Agne Malisauskiene: And, um, because the, your educator is way more experienced [01:21:55] because in those three years that you did something, they did many, many, [01:22:00] many more of that. Maybe they’ll learn something about different, I don’t know, instruments, something else, [01:22:05] anything, anything. Just the way they do things. Maybe they simplify certain [01:22:10] steps into something, not cutting corners, but like simplifying something. [01:22:15] Maybe you can instead of having, I don’t know. Do you remember when it was [01:22:20] like 20 layers of of the tooth? Do we really need that? [01:22:25] You know how hard that is. And volume control becomes a super mess. And [01:22:30] the negative space and the bubbles and everything else. It’s not the [01:22:35] time for that anymore, right?

Payman Langroudi: No. But at the time, it was revolutionary. I remember enamel [01:22:40] was the the stuff. Was that back.

Agne Malisauskiene: Then. [01:22:45] Oh, yeah.

Payman Langroudi: Um, what about what comes to mind if I ask you what is your [01:22:50] biggest clinical mistake?

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, dear. Uh, [01:22:55] you know, I don’t place implants, so my implants don’t break. I [01:23:00] don’t place implants into the nerve. I, I.

Agne Malisauskiene: It.

Payman Langroudi: Could be a management error. Like [01:23:05] a patient error.

Agne Malisauskiene: No.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, I just remembered. [01:23:10]

Payman Langroudi: It’s so funny when you ask this question, suddenly the silence happens [01:23:15] and then suddenly this.

Agne Malisauskiene: I still have the picture of that patient [01:23:20] when I talk about the evolution of my own dentistry. Because you need to humble yourself, [01:23:25] otherwise you don’t understand what’s going on. So that was years ago. I thought [01:23:30] that I’m doing great dentistry, right? And I started doing a lot of those composite [01:23:35] bondings. And I won this competition in Lithuania in 2017. I [01:23:40] won the competition that was life patient. And, uh, I want [01:23:45] it. And after that, a lot of patients get flooded, like flooded me and, and [01:23:50] had this patient with crooked teeth, two centrals. And, [01:23:55] um, she was getting ready for a wedding. She was very young, I would say 25 or something [01:24:00] like that. And she wanted me to straighten the teeth with composite, and [01:24:05] I needed to shave off a little bit of a tooth. I did that, I, and [01:24:10] I did, I shaved off, I don’t know, I cut it into dentine, of course, and I did [01:24:15] two four composite veneers or something like that. She came back for a recall [01:24:20] and I saw some brownish area underlining the, the the composite. [01:24:25] So because I was working all the time, so many like crazy hours, right? [01:24:30] I did forget and I didn’t have pictures.

Agne Malisauskiene: I did forget how much [01:24:35] did I shave off. So I was trying to remove that. And I see it’s still brownish brownish, brownish up [01:24:40] until the point that I exposed the pulp. Trust [01:24:45] me, I was all sweaty. I didn’t know what to do. Vital pulp therapy at the [01:24:50] time was not a thing. I had no clue. Um. I knew there was [01:24:55] MTA somewhere, but I was afraid to ask. So [01:25:00] I put some kind of a liner, which is the glass [01:25:05] ionomer and I covered that with some opaque composite. I did etch bond [01:25:10] and whatever. And I didn’t tell anything to the patient. I [01:25:15] could not sleep for three days. Maybe I didn’t tell anyone. I [01:25:20] called in the patient for a recall a week later. Two [01:25:25] weeks later. A month later. Um, before wedding. [01:25:30] I called her in. A year later. Two years later. Three years later. She [01:25:35] was young and healthy. It was perfectly fine. X-rays, [01:25:40] everything. It’s perfectly fine. But that was. [01:25:45] And then I promised myself. I will never, ever, ever [01:25:50] do this again.

Payman Langroudi: Which bit? Which bit won’t.

Payman Langroudi: You do [01:25:55] again?

Agne Malisauskiene: I would not cut the tooth up to the pulp.

Payman Langroudi: What [01:26:00] about the bit about not telling the patient?

Agne Malisauskiene: Ah.

Agne Malisauskiene: I [01:26:05] think it was better not to tell her, because if I told her, then [01:26:10] something would have happened. Because you know how they say maybe it’s gonna hurt, so you just wait [01:26:15] for it to hurt? Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s, I don’t know. Um, so I just promised [01:26:20] myself that I would never shave off the tooth for the matter of it looking [01:26:25] better.

Payman Langroudi: I love your openness on this subject. That’s excellent. Excellent.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because it is what it is, man. [01:26:30]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Payman Langroudi: What’s your favourite resource book website podcast [01:26:35] I don’t know.

Payman Langroudi: Oh my god. Okay.

Payman Langroudi: For you. Instagram page. [01:26:40]

Agne Malisauskiene: Instagram obviously.

Agne Malisauskiene: Which page like what are the.

Payman Langroudi: Where’d [01:26:45] you go?

Agne Malisauskiene: I don’t know anything and everything. I don’t know. Um, probably [01:26:50] the, the idea is the best book ever written on anterior composites [01:26:55] is layers two.

Agne Malisauskiene: There’s two.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, and a salad. I always say, um, [01:27:00] the woman’s name, so it’s by the Anna salad and colleagues.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh, [01:27:05] At because.

Agne Malisauskiene: I remember I was teaching this, [01:27:10] I had this, I’ve never read layers.

Payman Langroudi: I have layers, I’ve never looked at layers. [01:27:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: Two, I have to.

Agne Malisauskiene: Take a take a look at one thing. And I thought I [01:27:20] invented something. So I said, bevel or not, bevel depends [01:27:25] on the line angles. If you cross the line angle, that means you’re on the buccal surface. If your [01:27:30] prep of class three right crosses the line angle, you need to bevel that. If [01:27:35] you don’t cross, you don’t need to bevel. Right? I thought this [01:27:40] is my idea. So I was teaching this for like six years up to the point that layers [01:27:45] two came out and I bought it, I pre-ordered it, I got the book and I was reading it and I was like, I [01:27:50] opened the page. And this literally, this is what’s written with the, with [01:27:55] the images on probably keynote like I did, they look very [01:28:00] alike. And I was like, oh, and then I took a picture and I sent it to Mindaugas [01:28:05] And I said, what? And he says, do you know what this means? [01:28:10] And I said, yes. Great minds think alike.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah, exactly.

Agne Malisauskiene: Because I’m pretty.

Agne Malisauskiene: Sure [01:28:15] it’s supposed to be on.

Payman Langroudi: You’re saying in the in the proximal.

Payman Langroudi: Yeah.

Payman Langroudi: You no longer need to bevel.

Agne Malisauskiene: No [01:28:20] I don’t unless yeah. Sometimes.

Payman Langroudi: Sometimes if you don’t, you end up. It’s [01:28:25] not it’s not as obvious. But you see this kind of weird shadow if you don’t.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh.

Payman Langroudi: I [01:28:30] hear you, I hear you.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s interproximal. That’s usually quite fine, but you have to understand [01:28:35] the, the width of what you’re covering, [01:28:40] right? So, uh, what I would say they maybe you need a little bit more opacity [01:28:45] in the shadows. Gone.

Agne Malisauskiene: True. That’s true.

Agne Malisauskiene: The thing is, what you see is the enamel. Because [01:28:50] enamel is the evil. If you have dentine, it’s very easy. Right? This [01:28:55] is why composite veneer is easy, because this is the actual composite veneer where you have nothing, [01:29:00] right? You have healthy tooth.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: Porcelain veneer when you have all same [01:29:05] coloured aligned teeth is easy because this is the moment that you actually [01:29:10] have the blank canvas. Usually I don’t have blank canvas. What? I have a blank deep hole and [01:29:15] I need to work around that, right? So if you have a blank canvas, it’s [01:29:20] easy.

Payman Langroudi: It’s so interesting how we’re not taught in I don’t know you about you, but I wasn’t [01:29:25] taught a single word in dental school about Opacus. No, I [01:29:30] mean, but it may be the most important thing in a composite.

Agne Malisauskiene: Opacity is.

Agne Malisauskiene: The [01:29:35] most.

Payman Langroudi: You know, pictures. I mean, we just composite there is there was there was nothing about opaque [01:29:40] composite, not opaque composite. You know, it’s, I think when I don’t know, I haven’t been a dentist for a long [01:29:45] time, but when I was a dentist, almost every single composite, anterior composite and opaque [01:29:50] was used somewhere, you know, like, yeah, why? Why were we taught? [01:29:55]

Agne Malisauskiene: I really don’t know how we, I don’t I.

Agne Malisauskiene: Really don’t remember. [01:30:00]

Agne Malisauskiene: How we were taught anterior composites, I don’t remember. I don’t remember doing [01:30:05] them at all in uni. Like nobody.

Agne Malisauskiene: Would.

Agne Malisauskiene: Count. They just cavities you had like [01:30:10] it’s usually posterior contact that you keep blues or I [01:30:15] don’t know, overhang or whatever thing. It’s just.

Agne Malisauskiene: Unfortunately. [01:30:20]

Payman Langroudi: We’ve come to the end of our time. I could talk, I could talk for so long with you. Um, but I [01:30:25] gotta be somewhere. So I’m going to end with the usual question, which is [01:30:30] a fantasy dinner party. Three guests.

Agne Malisauskiene: I’ve had.

Agne Malisauskiene: That.

Payman Langroudi: Dead [01:30:35] or alive.

Agne Malisauskiene: I had if we were talking about dentists, I’ve had that already.

Payman Langroudi: Oh, you met your heroes. [01:30:40]

Agne Malisauskiene: Yes. I’m so happy. I’ve.

Agne Malisauskiene: Who was it?

Agne Malisauskiene: I’ve eaten with all of them. [01:30:45] Uh, Newton. Paul. Didier.

Agne Malisauskiene: Pascal.

Agne Malisauskiene: Uh, Pascal. No, I haven’t [01:30:50] eaten with that, man. How do I get to that? Oh, maybe.

Agne Malisauskiene: It’s gonna be that. [01:30:55] Yes.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah, to buy a Malaysian thing as well.

Agne Malisauskiene: Um, [01:31:00] what.

Payman Langroudi: About outside of dentistry? Like any three people.

Agne Malisauskiene: Okay, so [01:31:05] that would be Steve Bartlett, the CEO guy.

Payman Langroudi: Do you like it.

Payman Langroudi: That.

Agne Malisauskiene: Much? Uh, [01:31:10] amazing.

Agne Malisauskiene: I have the idea.

Agne Malisauskiene: Listen to this.

Agne Malisauskiene: So, Steve Bartlett, the second would be. [01:31:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh.

Agne Malisauskiene: Okay. That would be, uh, I don’t remember the [01:31:20] name, but the, the owner, the of Nvidia.

Payman Langroudi: Nvidia.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh, [01:31:25] I saw this.

Agne Malisauskiene: I saw this reel when he was like, somebody was talking to him about, um, [01:31:30] when you work, you work like, do you have what’s the balance? He’s like, what, what [01:31:35] balance? What what what? He said, no, I work. If I don’t work, I think about [01:31:40] work. I was like, man, I’m buying your stocks.

Payman Langroudi: Have you seen that clip where he says, [01:31:45] um, if I knew what I know now at the beginning of Nvidia, [01:31:50] I definitely 100% wouldn’t do it.

Agne Malisauskiene: Oh really? That is going to work.

Payman Langroudi: Because it was that much [01:31:55] pain getting to. And you think the guy who’s made the world’s largest company is saying [01:32:00] you wouldn’t do it if he knew how much pain he went through? He’s such a wicked guy. I [01:32:05] like him a lot.

Agne Malisauskiene: Yeah.

Agne Malisauskiene: I bought Nvidia stocks and that’s the only in my portfolio that’s going up, not [01:32:10] down. So and the.

Agne Malisauskiene: Third.

Agne Malisauskiene: Person would be you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Me?

Agne Malisauskiene: You know.

Agne Malisauskiene: Why. [01:32:15]

Agne Malisauskiene: Because you would ask them questions and I can chill. You know that’s [01:32:20] the thing.

Agne Malisauskiene: I would just.

Agne Malisauskiene: Sit there and enjoy. You know, I could eat and enjoy and [01:32:25] you would ask them questions.

Payman Langroudi: Amazing. Thank you.

Agne Malisauskiene: Thank you for having me.

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